I did do a quick write up on the “where have you been today” thread. But here goes.

Van is a 2017 LWB 4Motion T32 on standard 17” Devonports.
It has a pop top roof and full camper conversion, but no rib style bed, just a light ply u-shaped seating arrangement in addition to the usual kitchen units.
I’ve had it since July and mainly driven round town. I do occasionally use it on my commute and 10miles each way of that is country roads.
The van is bouncy at the rear and very vague on the front. Steering inputs need to be made early as it feels like there is a delay.
The suspension is crashy, even bits of road where the surface tarmac is broken up bangs and feels pretty poor, but hey it’s a van and I’ve not had a van before and I can’t really compare it to my B6 S4 that I’ve had for 11years so I have no benchmark.
Anyway, over Xmas we went to visit the daughter in Newcastle and did a rather cheeky circuitous route. All country roads through Yorkshire, Northumberland and the East Coast.
I actually felt that the van was dangerous to drive. It wasn’t, but there was so little feedback through the wheel that going round a roundabout felt like you were floating and I couldn’t even tell if there was understeer or what. Similarly I had no confidence in driving at anywhere near the speed limit on the nationals.
Came home and decided that I immediately wanted new suspension.
I’ve been lurking so pretty much knew what I wanted. 50mm lower, not coil overs, and had already previously fancied the Koni set up from CRS.
Discussed over the phone, booked in, went down as soon as.
The level of service is great. Plenty of measuring and working out what I wanted. Fronts adjusted and then fitted, all put back together, back on the ground and it looked too low (sorry Steve). New measurements reveal my heavy beast has dropped 60mm in total.
The solution-remove it all and start again. Not a problem, no face pulling or sucking through teeth from Steve; just off, adjust, refit.
Rears fitted to make it sit correctly and job done.
I drove 90 miles down there purely using A and B roads to benchmark the suspension. And I was generally driving about 45mph as that’s how confident I feel putting it into bends, it’s so vague.
Anyway, the journey back. Wow (exact same route btw). Steering weight and feel is very nice, good feedback and it just feels planted.
There isn’t much body roll, there’s no crashing and bouncing-it just deals with bumps and potholes instantly and then they are gone.
Yes it’s a firmer ride, but it is much quieter and it’s so much more comfortable.
Was driving back in a national speed limit stretch where before I had been doing 45ish and as I came to a posted 50 I just had a quick look at the speedo to make sure I wasn’t too far above and I was doing 75. Crazy. It was so sure footed I’d just been enjoying the drive-oops.
Anyway got home and fast-forward to yesterday. Had to go and collect the Octavia from where it had been abandoned because of snow. I convinced Her Indoors to drive the van back over the moors (she normally refuses to drive the van).
Anyway I was putting my foot down round the bends and she was a permanent feature in my mirror, so much so that I slowed down because her speed in the van was worrying me.
Got home and she jumped out with a big smile “I love it, it drives and handles so well now” she then admitted that she avoided driving it previously because it’s vague handing scared her and she didn’t feel safe.
So I’m very pleased with the end result.
Thanks Steve.
Just as an additional bit of info, my van has done 99k and still on its original suspension and the front arb bushes were toast so I had them replaced with powerflex at the same time. That may have some bearing on how crap it was previously.

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After mulling over what to do about suspension on my T32, which I don’t find too bad to be fair but i want it lower without losing comfort. Also bearing in mind that I came from a previous van that had B14s, then air suspension fitted. Seeing @Skip van had virtually swayed me to going for his suspension set up. But after talking to Steve @CRS Performance, he has swayed me to give his new KW coil over kit a go. With the guarantee that if I’m not happy then he will take it off and fit the Koni set up...can’t get any better than that. So it is booked in with Steve next month and looking forward to sitting lower and more comfortable in the van
 
After mulling over what to do about suspension on my T32, which I don’t find too bad to be fair but i want it lower without losing comfort. Also bearing in mind that I came from a previous van that had B14s, then air suspension fitted. Seeing @Skip van had virtually swayed me to going for his suspension set up. But after talking to Steve @CRS Performance, he has swayed me to give his new KW coil over kit a go. With the guarantee that if I’m not happy then he will take it off and fit the Koni set up...can’t get any better than that. So it is booked in with Steve next month and looking forward to sitting lower and more comfortable in the van

Steve is a sound chap.
I had the H&R coilovers fitted by him to my lwb T32 shuttle a few weeks back and I'm not enjoying them TBH and he has offered to swap them for the KW ones which should hopefully be better for me.
 
Steve is a sound chap.
I had the H&R coilovers fitted by him to my lwb T32 shuttle a few weeks back and I'm not enjoying them TBH and he has offered to swap them for the KW ones which should hopefully be better for me.
What exactly are you not enjoying about them? I’m assuming you mean the h&r/koni kit.
I have it and it’s fantastic. There are many many good reviews of this kit, but yours is the first one that sounds negative, so I would be keen to know more.
 
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Steve is a sound chap.
I had the H&R coilovers fitted by him to my lwb T32 shuttle a few weeks back and I'm not enjoying them TBH and he has offered to swap them for the KW ones which should hopefully be better for me.
Fair shout! Everyone is an individual and I like that you’re prepared to offer a dissenting view. The world doesn’t need “sheeple” and @CRS Performance is known for making sure their customer is happy. The kit on my van performs, but I am conscious of it being a bit “noisy” in the front when I drive it on the country roads around my way. I know that Steve will have a look at it when we are allowed out to play again (it’s a few hours skelp for me to get there!) I’d be keen to hear your experience
 
What exactly are you not enjoying about them? I’m assuming you mean the h&r/koni kit.
I have it and it’s fantastic. There are many many good reviews of this kit, but yours is the first one that sounds negative, so I would be keen to know more.

I am new to the van world but I am a 'petrolhead' and have owned many modified cars with different suspension setups but the kit on the van is... harsh? It's difficult to describe. I was expecting it to be firm but I'm just a little disappointed. But then I have nothing to compare to, apart from cars I have owned. Don't get me wrong... the handling is a LOT better and it looks great. This is no detriment to Steve - he only fits them!
This is a photo of the kit I have...
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I am new to the van world but I am a 'petrolhead' and have owned many modified cars with different suspension setups but the kit on the van is... harsh? It's difficult to describe. I was expecting it to be firm but I'm just a little disappointed. But then I have nothing to compare to, apart from cars I have owned. Don't get me wrong... the handling is a LOT better and it looks great. This is no detriment to Steve - he only fits them!
This is a photo of the kit I have...
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What size wheels and tyres are you running @GordonHR?
 
I went from standard 17 inch steels at standard height, then lowered for a week or 2 then 245 50 18 as below...
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Looks lovely! Thought you might have been on 20” wheels and could’ve blamed those for your ‘harsh’ ride, but with 18’s it should be ok? Maybe because it’s a T32 and a heavier van? I’m running exactly that kit from Steve and I love it, but then my van is a light T28 day van?

The most important thing is that you’re in the best possible hands with Steve and he’ll get it right for you! :thumbsup:
 
I am new to the van world but I am a 'petrolhead' and have owned many modified cars with different suspension setups but the kit on the van is... harsh? It's difficult to describe. I was expecting it to be firm but I'm just a little disappointed. But then I have nothing to compare to, apart from cars I have owned. Don't get me wrong... the handling is a LOT better and it looks great. This is no detriment to Steve - he only fits them!
This is a photo of the kit I have...
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Harsh? Wow. Mine is anything but harsh imho, and I am running 20’s. Are those shocks adjustable, and did they get stiffened up? I left mine alone.
Im also about mid adjustment on the height range, not really sure what it equates to from a lowered perspective.
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Harsh? Wow. Mine is anything but harsh imho, and I am running 20’s. Are those shocks adjustable, and did they get stiffened up? I left mine alone.
Im also about mid adjustment on the height range, not really sure what it equates to from a lowered perspective.
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It's not crashy like I'm running big wheels etc, it just seems to 'thump' on lumpy roads.
It is not adjustable damping and I could go lower if I wanted to so it's not like they are wound right down or anything.
Are you sure you have the same kit if yours is adjustable?
 
It's not crashy like I'm running big wheels etc, it just seems to 'thump' on lumpy roads.
It is not adjustable damping and I could go lower if I wanted to so it's not like they are wound right down or anything.
Are you sure you have the same kit if yours is adjustable?
Then it does sound different. Maybe Steve can clarify the difference. Mine was £1300 delivered for me to fit.
I certainly can’t relate to the ‘thump’ you are referring to.
Good luck in getting it to your liking.
 
Looks lovely! Thought you might have been on 20” wheels and could’ve blamed those for your ‘harsh’ ride, but with 18’s it should be ok? Maybe because it’s a T32 and a heavier van? I’m running exactly that kit from Steve and I love it, but then my van is a light T28 day van?

The most important thing is that you’re in the best possible hands with Steve and he’ll get it right for you! :thumbsup:
Great to hear the feedback on the different set-ups available.

I’m running the T32 H&R/Koni set up with a 40mm drop on 275/40/20. I had seen a few threads that suggested the ride might be harsh with the bigger wheels but I think it performs really well. Handling and comfort have both been improved from the standard set-up. In my case, Steve got it spot-on.
 
It's not crashy like I'm running big wheels etc, it just seems to 'thump' on lumpy roads.
It is not adjustable damping and I could go lower if I wanted to so it's not like they are wound right down or anything.
Are you sure you have the same kit if yours is adjustable?
Hiya - do you hear the “thump” on lumpy roads from the front or the rear?

Edit: before the smart alecs jump in, yes I knows @GordonHR sits in the front when he is driving!
 
Then it does sound different. Maybe Steve can clarify the difference. Mine was £1300 delivered for me to fit.
I certainly can’t relate to the ‘thump’ you are referring to.
Good luck in getting it to your liking.
Is yours a t28/30 or 32?

Hiya - do you hear the “thump” on lumpy roads from the front or the rear?

Edit: before the smart alecs jump in, yes I knows @GordonHR sits in the front when he is driving!

Haha it isn't a specific component noise, just the feeling of the suspension. Difficult to describe sorry.

Everyone's setup and opinion, is different; so other people may like my setup. And as I said before, I have nothing to compare it to.

Let's see what the KW kit is like when I get round to sorting it with Steve.
I don't think the koni HR shock/spring kit will get as low as the photo above will it (which I know is what Steve says is the most comfy)
 
Interesting comments both ways and of course it highlights my views from Day one , The lower you take a vehicle the firmer the ride will be , ( there are practical limits to removing travel from a vehicles suspension ) The members who have followed CRS since the early days will note that I was very apprehensive about low vans and Height adjustable kits. After lowering thousands of cars in 30 years in the industry and listening carefully to customers needs I was originally shocked at the amount of height adjustable kits that were being sold here in UK for Transporters and some of these kits were a little dubious as we have seen over the last year ) The reason we were so successful initially was that we only sold kits that lowered vans 40 to 50 mm ,max and this i still maintain is a safe height if comfort is paramount , . after 6 months of selling these kits we were bombarded with requests to do lower drops . After discounting the Kits pushed by many Transporter specialists as not ideal we opted to go with the H&R kits as they are genuine Products designed and manufactured by H&R with TUV certification and we have been very successful with these kits , Although they are rated at 50 to 80 mm we normally adjust them around 65 ,mm to get the best balance of comfort and Handling possible . The T 32 kit from H&R of course uses the upside down Mono tube technology which is very efficient and can cope with extreme lateral loads experienced in a T 32 fully loaded . We have seen too many kits sold in to T32 s that simply are not fit for purpose and can not cope with the weight . The down side of this is firmness in ride quality .
Many clients love it and some wont , The problem for suppliers of suspension is that we can not tell if the client will like it or not . Test driving a van to get an impression of the ride doesn't always help because if you own a T 28 empty van and test drive a T 30, 4 motion with twin doors Auto box and plenty going on inside the ride will be drastically different with the same kit fitted !! . You will recall my comments regarding 1 spring fits all on coil over kits isn't ideal ( all the coil over suppliers do this ) How many T 32 owners have said their standard van drives great when loaded up ?? It is the same problem that B 14 clients have when adjusted to max height and the van is 80 plus mm low , the kit is 40 to 70 mm spec . The spring doesn't have sufficient rate .

To try and understand how and why a suspension system works can be difficult , BUT what you need to remember is that if a Kit is designed to do 50 to 80 mm in a T 32 as an example it will be designed to cope with the load weight at the 80 mm so it can get an approval like TUV. it has to be strong enough to carry the weight of the vehicle at that drop this means unloaded or a lighter van ( nothing in the rear ) it will be harsher on the ride . Hope this makes sense ,

As I said the dealers who supply suspension know what they are selling, BUT they cant possibly predict or know if the result will suit a particular customer and the results are different from Van to van , So this is why we sometimes change the kit after fitment if it isn't doing what we expect it to do. Bigsidavies experience is a testament to this . We all know and love the H&R product , I don't think there is any Transporter accessory companies that don't sell their kits at some point or other but the heaviest 40 mm kit they do in a really heavy van normally cant get above 60 mm , . Somethings we have to just accept .
We look forward to helping GordonHR soon.
 
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