Starter Battery Wiring - VW Disagreement

Help.....I have moved the negative cable to the headlight bracket bolt as per pic a few comments up but after looking at one of the guides Loz has done there is a ground point underneath the front plastic scuttle - how does this scuttle come off I can see no fixing points?
is it worth the effort or do you think my bracket bolt is good enough? (the BtoB still lights up so there is a circuit)
thanks guys.
Remove both wiper arms then the scuttle unclips. Just pull it away from the windscreen starting from one side.
 
thank you to you wonderful people, I am a complete numpty with anything electronic or mechanical but with your help I have actually managed to do it!
mind you the windscreen wipers will probably fall off the next time I use them on the autoroute.
hope to meet you one day so I can buy you a beer
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For all that hassle, might as well remove the battery and connect to the same point the battery negative goes to.
 
For all that hassle, might as well remove the battery and connect to the same point the battery negative goes to.
I was amazed how many leaves/sycamore seeds and general crud was down there so it was good to have a big clean out and clear all the drains etc.
I was surprised the scuttle is only affixed along the window edge, completely loose at the bonnet edge so free to rattle around.
Must admit I am feeling a bit smug with my newfound skills haha - need another project but my wife doesn’t agree!
 
Going to rearrange my leisure earthing today. Should the bm2 be to the chassis earth too? Or is that OK across terminals?

@Dellmassive... As our resident bm2 obsessive
 
I've just realised that it appears my VB negative also goes direct to the battery negative post. Maybe the cause of my battery charge challenges?

I guess I should discuss this with my VB installer. Anyone know their approved installation configuration?

In the photo the two small black cables are my battery monitors, but the bundled brown and yellow cables behind are I believe my VB negative.

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This is totally wrong and needs sorting out.

ALL grounds to body work neg 0ve . . . . .

possibly JUST the BM2 connection to battery post . . . . . due to a very low draw ( some people have done this )

but mine goes to an EARTH BLOCK inside my own "engine fuse box" that then grounds on the light bracket bolt. (paint cleaned off and connection drop tested for resistance and current flow)


or go to this point above the battery :


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Going to rearrange my leisure earthing today. Should the bm2 be to the chassis earth too? Or is that OK across terminals?

@Dellmassive... As our resident bm2 obsessive

ALL grounds should go to body work neg 0ve . . . . .

possibly JUST the BM2 connection to battery post . . . . . due to a very low draw ( some people have done this ) ( but i didnt )


so if you cant get to a ground . . . . the JUST the BM2 across the battery neg..



its also worth pointing out that you can cut off the BM2 ring terminals and extend the wires yourself.

I've done this numerous times . . .


cut the ring terminal off one at a time . . . .

strip the cable jacket off, where you will find 2x inner cores in a blue sheath . . . strip these back again to find 2x silver coated wire cores.


extend the cable as needed - not too long though.


if you plan to extend the positive wire side . . . ADD A FUSE FOR SAFETY. 2A or something low, either 20mm glass fuse or micro blade fuse . . .



ill add a pic below . . . .


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shown over here :




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Heres mine . . . .

cover:

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normal layout:


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battery neg with NO CONNECTIONS:


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my own fusebox, with incoming fuse and outgoing fuses. . . . which shows the Victron quick disconnect i use for direct battery charging.

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the starter BM2 unit . . . . . didnt even realize that CTEK monitor was still fitted . . . though i binned it off ages ago lol . . . make sure everything is fused correctly


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main battery connection . . . ( needs ferals and heat shrink - ill sort that soon )


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and my earth link cable to body ground...

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thats my solution.
 
So just to get this clear ALL negative connections to body earth and not battery terminal. My westfalia tow bar electrics all go to the battery as does my BM2 monitor. Just as an aside I have lots of wires terminating on the positive post has anyone got a tidy solution to this?
yes . . . you can fit a small fuse box next to the battery. (it doesnt need to be a large fuse box, but needs to carry the correct fuses etc)

then run all your circuits from that.

again, all negs need to go to body ground and not bridge the VW sensor.


maybe like this :



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or this?




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or . . .


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eg . . . .


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@Dellmassive is that battery cover a standard item on later vans ?- I don't have one of those on mine MY16.
No its a T5/T5.1 cover that I had on my previous van (purchased separately from ebay or somewhere) that I kept when I sold the van... not sure but I think there are 2 types?

Looks like vanstyle and travelinlite might sell them.

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No... dont think so...?

All I had to do was twist in the bonnet rubber bump stop on that side.
 
Found it now:
You have to trim a T5.1 battery cover to suit T6 headlights. Took me a couple of attempts..

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Cheers @Dellmassive.
Looking at the posts either side of this, it looks like there are two different covers available, so your one must be different to that above.
 
So to follow up on this a few weeks down the line, moving my b2b, bm2 and vb to chassis negative completely fixed my starter issue. It holds charge really well now.

Vw Liverpool were totally right.

Moral of the story.... NO extra connections to the starter negative. Ever. Despite what a converter / "specialist" says.
 
So to follow up on this a few weeks down the line, moving my b2b, bm2 and vb to chassis negative completely fixed my starter issue. It holds charge really well now.

Vw Liverpool were totally right.

Moral of the story.... NO extra connections to the starter negative. Ever. Despite what a converter / "specialist" says.
Very few converters can be called "specialists" when it comes to electrics.
 
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