Van Speed Limit?

[Loz]

Agreed, I was waiting at a bus stop in Manchester a while ago (due to enforced 56 day break from driving) and counted on average 1 in 8 drivers were texting/ facebooking/ instagramming etc on their phones whilst driving. Static cameras wont catch them.

#notbitter

 

[Shaun Witts]

Version 1.2- a simple statement that the kombi is a dual purpose vehicle.

HMRC certainly view the VW Kombi as a dual purpose vehicle (or "multi-purpose vehicle" to be exact). Just search for "HMRC v Coa Cola"!

 

[Richard Wood]

A friend has just bought a t6 t30 combi and the dealers have got him a letter from the dvla stating that he is classed as a car for speed limits, apparently t32 aren't due to weight, admit I haven't seen letter as yet, am aiming to next time I see him

 

[Richard Wood]

Owning a t30 myself will be very happy if this is the case

 

[Murdoch]

Agreed, I was waiting at a bus stop in Manchester a while ago (due to enforced 56 day break from driving) and counted on average 1 in 8 drivers were texting/ facebooking/ instagramming etc on their phones whilst driving. Static cameras wont catch them.

Only 1 in 8. That sounds low given what I see every day

 

[ed123]

a Kombi- a car or a van; what judges say

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c94fd1bed915d07a80a347b/CocaCola_As_Released.pdf

 

[MikeVWT6]

Has anyone got the time in their life to read that? And if they have can you tell me what it says in a few words!

 

[BeicBach]

Hi,
Could anyone enlighten me as to the approximate period that the combi's changed from M1 to N1?

Cheers

 

[ed123]

Has anyone got the time in their life to read that? And if they have can you tell me what it says in a few words!

Sure!

It is a VAT case about whether or not VW Kombi vans are cars, commercial vehicles or something else. Answer- they are not commercial vehicles for VAT purposes. There have no primary function- therefore they are not commercial vehicles. Just because they look like vans is not important.

"So what" you might say- we are bothered about speed limits, and so the speed limit regulations about cars, dual purpose vehicles and vans / commercial vehicles must apply.

Yes that's true.

But the lawyers / courts will want to know if Parliament can really have intended for the same vehicle (a VW Kombi) to be both:

1. not a commercial vehicle for VAT purposes

AND

2. A commercial vehicle for speed limit purposes. (or any other purpose for that matter).

I'd sat "NO-Because that would be ridiculous."

Ed

 

[Yzfr1]

I've had an interesting read on here this morning and I dug out my log book.
It reads
Mass In Service as 2004.
Van/Side Windows
So if I went to court with a speeding ticket for a van...I could fight it and win....as I'm governed by the car speed limit.
Or have I misread and got it all wrong.

 

[TEESIXY]

I believe that you would have to satisfy them that it is a dual purpose vehicle for car speed limits to apply- side windows, rear window and permanently fitted rear seats.

 

[St4n99]

I've had an interesting read on here this morning and I dug out my log book.
It reads
Mass In Service as 2004.
Van/Side Windows
So if I went to court with a speeding ticket for a van...I could fight it and win....as I'm governed by the car speed limit.
Or have I misread and got it all wrong.
View attachment 49957

It's based on the cat N1 or M1. Unfortunately your n1 so your in the lower limit category am afraid

 

[Village]

Hmm, just read through this whole thread with a bit of dread as i pick up my new van in a couple of weeks.... will have to weigh it and see where i get to.

Totally follow the dual purpose argument, makes perfect sense. But what i don't get is the concept of a double offence, of exceeding both the national speed limit and the speed limit for a vehicle (see post 69 above, for example). Surely exceeding the speed limit is one offence, and that limit can be lower (on dual or single carriageway) if it's a not with the dual purpose classification? How do you get to two separate offences?

 

[DXX]

I’m sure Boris will fix it????????

 

[TEESIXY]

It's based on the cat N1 or M1. Unfortunately your n1 so your in the lower limit category am afraid

I dont think that is correct, a Kombi can be N1, and car speed limits apply- providing the dual purpose criteria it met.

 

[Daffy]

Hmm, just read through this whole thread with a bit of dread as i pick up my new van in a couple of weeks.... will have to weigh it and see where i get to.

Totally follow the dual purpose argument, makes perfect sense. But what i don't get is the concept of a double offence, of exceeding both the national speed limit and the speed limit for a vehicle (see post 69 above, for example). Surely exceeding the speed limit is one offence, and that limit can be lower (on dual or single carriageway) if it's a not with the dual purpose classification? How do you get to two separate offences?

I believe the lower of the 2 speed limits will apply and it’s one offence, so if you were in a van on an A road with national speed limit (60mph) and your van was limited to 50mph (as a commercial vehicle) and you were caught doing 80 mph then you would be 30 over your limit and in licence losing territory ( as a opposed to being 20 over and facing points and a fine if you were driving a car or Motorhome)

 

[Village]

Thanks, that's what i would have expected, but there seems to be some suggestion above of there being two offences. Perhaps I've misunderstood, but see post 79 above

 

[Daffy]

Thanks, that's what i would have expected, but there seems to be some suggestion above of there being two offences. Perhaps I've misunderstood, but see post 79 above

Hmm, I not sure either now as the op of post 79 speaks from experience but I have never heard of that before and my whole working life has been spent around commercial vehicles.

I am aware for a friend of a friend who a fighting to keep his licence after being caught doing 80 something on an A road, is argument was that his van was a Motorhome and as such he was still speeding but at a lesser amount than the paperwork said, his van was not registered as a Motorhome (it was a T32 also)

Speeding is an absolute offence so I would be surprised if you can be prosecuted for 2 different offences for the same speed, however if the previous poster has experience then...

More research needed I think.

 

[Village]

@Gadgets, any chance you can shed a bit more light on your experience of the double offence, as set out in post 79?

@Thogg, you seem extremely knowledgeable on this, any further insight?

Thanks guys

 

[Pauly]

Thogg is a traffic cop so that’s the direction where his info was coming from but he has left the forum now unfortunately