what are the speed limits for a factory built kombi as I'm not 100% sure , had this conversation in work today.
It's a commercial vehicle derived car
It's a commercial vehicle derived car
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50 single carriageway
60 dual carriageway
70 motorway
any goods vehicle that is not car derived suffers the reduced limit on main roads
I know someone who got done for 72 on a dual carriageway in a transit connect, moaned at only being 2 mph over and copper said no 12 over theres your 3 points
60 dual carriageway
70 motorway
any goods vehicle that is not car derived suffers the reduced limit on main roads
I know someone who got done for 72 on a dual carriageway in a transit connect, moaned at only being 2 mph over and copper said no 12 over theres your 3 points
Glad I asked the question better keep me eyes peeled for them crafty speed vans then and hit the brakes hard before I'm in range 
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yep i can agree with that, i got done on a duel carriageway doing 70 in my trafic, 3 points + fine.............suppose better than he ban i got on bike 
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Yeah I just fell foul of this as I hadn't realised
Dual carriageway, mobile camera, caught doing 70 which I thought was fine, nope
Dual carriageway, mobile camera, caught doing 70 which I thought was fine, nope
This is good info.
I always assumed it was 90mph.
On a serious note I do 70 on a dual carriageway. I'll knock it back knowing this. Static Speed cameras don't know any different. Mobile cameras will be different.
I always assumed it was 90mph.
On a serious note I do 70 on a dual carriageway. I'll knock it back knowing this. Static Speed cameras don't know any different. Mobile cameras will be different.
I was driving around in my LR Defender for the first year without realising I had these restrictions as well.
Seems strange that you can get a van converted to a "Motor Caravan" and the restrictions no longer apply. Same van, same suspension/handling, weight close to maximum, etc., so why is it suddenly perceived by the law as safer to drive it 10mph faster on single/dual carriageways (or, more to the point, less safe to drive it as a van at the same speed)?
Seems strange that you can get a van converted to a "Motor Caravan" and the restrictions no longer apply. Same van, same suspension/handling, weight close to maximum, etc., so why is it suddenly perceived by the law as safer to drive it 10mph faster on single/dual carriageways (or, more to the point, less safe to drive it as a van at the same speed)?
LOL this debate has being going on for years,,,, a friend has just had 3 points in a 7 seat taxi he went to court and they still done him lol
WHAT CAN U SAY
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This is an old chestnut covered ad nauseaum on other forums. It would be worth pinning this otherwise the question will be asked time and again.....
The general consensus has been that since T5.1 Kombis have been registered as N1 (Panel Van / Light Goods) and not M1 and so are restricted to 50/60/70. M1 covers cars so Vels, Calis and possibly shuttles so they can do 60/70/70.
By and large taxation is done by vehicle class so N1 is LGV and M1 is passenger car and therefore CO2 emissions.
This page sets out speed limits quite clearly; Speed limits - GOV.UK, or so you might think.
It refers to ‘car-derived van’ or ‘dual-purpose vehicle’ which if you follow the links you will find;
"Dual purpose vehicles
A dual purpose vehicle is a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods and designed to weigh no more than 2,040 kg when unladen, and is either:
Further if you have a conversion and get your V5 update so the body type becomes "Motorhome" or "Motor Caravan" (note you cannot change the classification from N1 to M1 just the body type) then the speed limit becomes 60/70/70 but your tax remains LGV (and you may get cheaper insurance) so it is worth doing.
This page is a good source with clarification from VOSA; Motorhome Speed Limits
If you get caught by a camera then it appears that they are just using the N1 classification and it seems that others don't know the whole story either. So as long as they are showing you evidence that you were exceeding the van speed but not the car then tell them and if they persist go to court.
The general consensus has been that since T5.1 Kombis have been registered as N1 (Panel Van / Light Goods) and not M1 and so are restricted to 50/60/70. M1 covers cars so Vels, Calis and possibly shuttles so they can do 60/70/70.
By and large taxation is done by vehicle class so N1 is LGV and M1 is passenger car and therefore CO2 emissions.
This page sets out speed limits quite clearly; Speed limits - GOV.UK, or so you might think.
It refers to ‘car-derived van’ or ‘dual-purpose vehicle’ which if you follow the links you will find;
"Dual purpose vehicles
A dual purpose vehicle is a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods and designed to weigh no more than 2,040 kg when unladen, and is either:
- constructed or adapted so that the driving power of the engine is, or can be selected to be, transmitted to all wheels of the vehicle
- permanently fitted with a rigid roof, at least one row of transverse passenger seats to the rear of the driver’s seat and will have side and rear windows - there must also be a minimum ratio between the size of passenger and stowage areas"
Further if you have a conversion and get your V5 update so the body type becomes "Motorhome" or "Motor Caravan" (note you cannot change the classification from N1 to M1 just the body type) then the speed limit becomes 60/70/70 but your tax remains LGV (and you may get cheaper insurance) so it is worth doing.
This page is a good source with clarification from VOSA; Motorhome Speed Limits
If you get caught by a camera then it appears that they are just using the N1 classification and it seems that others don't know the whole story either. So as long as they are showing you evidence that you were exceeding the van speed but not the car then tell them and if they persist go to court.
@VanBlanc useful info. I'm still wondering what will appear on my V5 when I eventually get my van; I'm buying a brand new van via a convertor, i.e. the van goes straight to the convertors via whichever VW dealer is giving them the best price, arrives as an unregistered van, gets converted and is then registered as a "Motor Caravan" via some sort of type approval scheme (reasonably high volume convertor so assuming NSSTA). The "Motor Caravan" bit is what the insurers seem interested in so I'd not really thought about the classification before - just doing a bit of VOSA reading though and I think it will be classified as "M1 Special Purpose" - sound about right? If it is, I'm assuming I'll end up paying slightly more vehicle excise duty than if it was classed as N1.
Are you buying it new from them @Dave Harris?
Unless they on the VW list (like Bilbo, Devon, Jerbra etc.) who are able to buy bare conversion chassis and they bought a panel van, Kombi or possibly a window van chassis it will come as N1.
However they should at least get the V5 changed to Motorhome for you but if they don't it is simple enough to do. Attached is the full explanation from VOSA
Unless they on the VW list (like Bilbo, Devon, Jerbra etc.) who are able to buy bare conversion chassis and they bought a panel van, Kombi or possibly a window van chassis it will come as N1.
However they should at least get the V5 changed to Motorhome for you but if they don't it is simple enough to do. Attached is the full explanation from VOSA
Yes, buying as new and expect registration (to me, as first owner) post conversion. At what stage does a vehicle get its identity officially logged with the DVLA - is it when it is built and has a VIN or once it gets registered and the V5 created?
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