V5 Documentation - DVLA Rule Change for Motor Caravan Reregistration June 2019
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I'll happily start the new thread but I was thinking more of Admins sending out an email shot to all forum members drawing their attention to this (and maybe the other relevant petitions) rather than relying on members to visit the forum and seeing it 'by chance'.
Great another petition. Like the others were a huge success. Waste of time imo.
at the same time, not being classified as a self-propelled caravan/motorhome can have some advantages:
in France, there are graphics signs "no motorhomes"
it's ok to park/camp overnight then.
"no, it's not a motorhome, it's a van with windows/MPV" lol
in France, there are graphics signs "no motorhomes"
it's ok to park/camp overnight then.
"no, it's not a motorhome, it's a van with windows/MPV" lol
You can see the geographical progress of the petition here: Petition Map (by Unboxed)
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I've also now had a 2nd refusal. Initial application was before I had a pop-top, so I photo'd all that and resubmitted. They'd initially agreed that the interior was fine but said that the van wasn't different on the outside. I invited the DVLA chap to now look at the pop-top photos and agree that it was now quite different to when it came out of the factory. No joy, I got the same "decision is final" refusal.
However, I saw a petition this morning challenging a seven-fold tax increase coming along for motor homes, so i'm wondering if i've dodged a bullet?
That relates to VED tax increases on new motor caravans being classified as cars M1 on the V5 and therefore subject to emissions based taxation instead of flat rate commercial vehicle VED rates.
Something I believe has already hit the VW California owners.
And as alluded to earlier in this thread, probably the reason for the DVLA's about turn on the reclassification into motorcaravan on the V5, using the external appearance (which has been ok for X amount of years) as an excuse.
Yep, got to be tax related, no other reason to dig your heels in and the revenue is GOD.
Interesting viewpoint on this subject on Motorhome Matters (outandaboutlive forum), from (I think) a retired cop or similar. I raised this problem and he replied:
'In relation to this point as far as I'm aware it's nothing new, having been implemented almost 10 years ago, and only applies to applications to change the body type of vehicles not originally constructed as motorhomes by a multi-stage converter, and registered as such from the date of first registration.
I can explain a little as to how it came about. In 2008, as a result of some very diligent detective work by one of my then colleagues from another constabulary, it became apparent that thieves were stealing motorhomes and, by various physical methods, cloning them onto the legitimate identities of commercial vehicles of the same make and model as the motorhome base.
In that way it was extremely easy for them to obtain a genuine V5C for an ostensibly legitimate motor caravan, because all they had to do was notify the change of body type on the V5C for the legitimately acquired "donor" commercial vehicle, which may have been in some cases little more than a written off shell, and submit photographs of the interior of the stolen motorhome.
Eventually, we identified over 800 motorhomes which had been stolen and "converted" by that method. There may well have been more, but the investigation consumed so much time and resources nationally that a halt had to be called at some point.
But, after discussion with the DVLA regarding the ease with which such stolen vehicles could be disguised, legitimised and passed on to unsuspecting purchasers, facilitated by their procedures, it was recognised that the process had to change!'
'In relation to this point as far as I'm aware it's nothing new, having been implemented almost 10 years ago, and only applies to applications to change the body type of vehicles not originally constructed as motorhomes by a multi-stage converter, and registered as such from the date of first registration.
I can explain a little as to how it came about. In 2008, as a result of some very diligent detective work by one of my then colleagues from another constabulary, it became apparent that thieves were stealing motorhomes and, by various physical methods, cloning them onto the legitimate identities of commercial vehicles of the same make and model as the motorhome base.
In that way it was extremely easy for them to obtain a genuine V5C for an ostensibly legitimate motor caravan, because all they had to do was notify the change of body type on the V5C for the legitimately acquired "donor" commercial vehicle, which may have been in some cases little more than a written off shell, and submit photographs of the interior of the stolen motorhome.
Eventually, we identified over 800 motorhomes which had been stolen and "converted" by that method. There may well have been more, but the investigation consumed so much time and resources nationally that a halt had to be called at some point.
But, after discussion with the DVLA regarding the ease with which such stolen vehicles could be disguised, legitimised and passed on to unsuspecting purchasers, facilitated by their procedures, it was recognised that the process had to change!'
That’s really interesting background. The resulting vehicle’s VIN still wouldn’t match though.
This also seems to imply that VW-registered convertors can still get a motorhome classification for a newly ordered base vehicle (which may then have VED tax implications as stated earlier).
This also seems to imply that VW-registered convertors can still get a motorhome classification for a newly ordered base vehicle (which may then have VED tax implications as stated earlier).
The cloned vehicle reason is a better one than the identification by emergency services excuse DVLA are pushing out in the letters people have posted.
However penalising law abiding van/campervan owners for the actions of a few toerags is not how society is supposed to work?
However penalising law abiding van/campervan owners for the actions of a few toerags is not how society is supposed to work?
Thinking about it, when my van was converted, last summer, I obtained a letter from Nu-Venture to confirm they had done the work and that it complied with the DVLA requirements, and I sent this in with my application and photos. As they are an established and recognised professional conversion company, this presumably meant the DVLA were satisfied this wasn't a clone!
So one wonders whether this route is still open?
So one wonders whether this route is still open?
So the way I see it, I have dropped shed load of money on a Kombi early this year to get it converted to camper at a later stage , even though I can get it physically converted to an camper it will never be officially be an camper.
At this point it just not worth the hassle or stress. After all would I even get all the work insured?
At this point it just not worth the hassle or stress. After all would I even get all the work insured?
It’s not that bad, just means maybe a slower speed limit and perhaps more cost in emissions charges, ferries maybe.
Still going to own a class camper regardless of what some #### at the DVLA says
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