Which H&R Springs?

[Laundrymike]

So...I've a T28 van, part converted - weighs 2150kg empty and running 18" Sportline alloys 235/50 tyres

I'd like to go a little lower but not much...measured from the hub centre to the top of the arch - 435mm front and 425mm rear

I've no great desire to fit coilovers, would rather fit a good quality spring and damper in the hope that the ride quality can be improved from the standard VW suspension fitted

I'm thinking H&R springs for now and save up/replace the shocks with Konis later on

They list Part Nr. 29270-1, -2, -3 and -4

I see they mention upto/over 1500kg axle weight front and upto/over 1560kg rear

Assume the heavier rated springs would suit me better?

But don't know the difference between 29270-2 and 29270-4 for example - are T28/30 springs different from T32 maybe?

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks!

 

[meza]

I have exactly the same dilemma. A T28, weighed at 2300kg converted, but unladen with people, fuel or luggage. Once it gets loaded up I think I’ll be at 2700-2800kg.

Should I be going for T30 rated H&R springs rather than maxing out T28 rated ones?

 

[meza]

 

[Bullie Boy]

Talk to Steve @ CRS

 

[mark hobson]

So...I've a T28 van, part converted - weighs 2150kg empty and running 18" Sportline alloys 235/50 tyres

I'd like to go a little lower but not much...measured from the hub centre to the top of the arch - 435mm front and 425mm rear

I've no great desire to fit coilovers, would rather fit a good quality spring and damper in the hope that the ride quality can be improved from the standard VW suspension fitted

I'm thinking H&R springs for now and save up/replace the shocks with Konis later on

They list Part Nr. 29270-1, -2, -3 and -4

I see they mention upto/over 1500kg axle weight front and upto/over 1560kg rear

Assume the heavier rated springs would suit me better?

But don't know the difference between 29270-2 and 29270-4 for example - are T28/30 springs different from T32 maybe?

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks!

I’ve got a set of h&r lowering springs I’m selling just not got round to advertising yet

 

[CRS Performance]

So...I've a T28 van, part converted - weighs 2150kg empty and running 18" Sportline alloys 235/50 tyres

I'd like to go a little lower but not much...measured from the hub centre to the top of the arch - 435mm front and 425mm rear

I've no great desire to fit coilovers, would rather fit a good quality spring and damper in the hope that the ride quality can be improved from the standard VW suspension fitted

I'm thinking H&R springs for now and save up/replace the shocks with Konis later on

They list Part Nr. 29270-1, -2, -3 and -4

I see they mention upto/over 1500kg axle weight front and upto/over 1560kg rear

Assume the heavier rated springs would suit me better?

But don't know the difference between 29270-2 and 29270-4 for example - are T28/30 springs different from T32 maybe?

Any help would be appreciated

Thanks!

Ok this has been done to death in the past i am, sure and this is quite a controversial topic because the H&R springs are all rated for TUV purposes and the weights of the van. I ll try to explain this better because we dont recognise TUV standards in UK ( I wish we did as it would stop a lot of crap being sold here )

the individual springs are numbered 29270-1 HA or VA or -2 HA or VA which is confusing of course as its similar to the kit part numbers ( HA Rear, VA front )


Kit 29270-1 is for light weight front light weight rear in the box is a -1 front -1 rear
kit 29270-2 Is for heavy front light rear -2 front -1 rear
kit 29270-3 Is for light weight front heavy rear -1 front -2 rear
Kit 29270-4 Heavy front and back . -2 front - 2 rear

The bomb shell news is that these springs are all the same rate , they aren't harder or softer at all The difference is the length .-1 short -2 longer ,

The biggest problem is that these 4 spring combinations dont suit all the vans that we have in UK specially the modified ones ( camper or day van etc )

We at CRS have ended up with 14 different combinations of spring to enable correct drops and carry weight at the correct height . so its way more complex than it first seems.

To give you an idea of how to spec the H&R springs

29270-1 small engine. nothing in the rear
29270-2 Big ( heavier ) engine nothing in the rear
29270-3 Small engine Camper rear
29270-4 Big engine ( heavier ) and camper rear .

This is complicated further by E C Parts commissioning H&R to make the same 4 spring range but in 50 mm drops , These dont use normal H&R part numbers because they arent H&R catalogue parts,

to hi light the issues with a small range of springs

29270-4 in a 180 hp Biturbo camper LWB Manual drop is 60 mm NOT 40 mm
fitting any of these kits to a 4 motion add at least 10 to 15 mm to the lowering range !!

What we do with Camper or heavy vans , because we cant be sure about the weight that has been added we supply a height adjustable rear spring with a stronger rate to get the exact lowering and weight carrying range we need . ( we all know how successful using coil over kits to adjust camper sag has been in the industry and the associated failures a plenty )

If you need more help feel free to call us ,

 

[Scottish Scrutineer]

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What we do with Camper or heavy vans , because we cant be sure about the weight that has been added we supply a height adjustable rear spring with a stronger rate to get the exact lowering and weight carrying range we need . ( we all know how successful using coil over kits to adjust camper sag has been in the industry and the associated failures a plenty )

If you need more help feel free to call us ,

@CRS, this should be a pinned post. Clearly explains the issue and shows why you guys have the reputation that you have. The height adjustable turrets are a straightforward solution to getting the rear ride height fixed and solve the handling and steering issues caused by the negative rake.

 

[CRS Performance]

@CRS, this should be a pinned post. Clearly explains the issue and shows why you guys have the reputation that you have. The height adjustable turrets are a straightforward solution to getting the rear ride height fixed and solve the handling and steering issues caused by the negative rake.

Spot on

 

[Laundrymike]

Ok this has been done to death in the past i am, sure and this is quite a controversial topic because the H&R springs are all rated for TUV purposes and the weights of the van. I ll try to explain this better because we dont recognise TUV standards in UK ( I wish we did as it would stop a lot of crap being sold here )

the individual springs are numbered 29270-1 HA or VA or -2 HA or VA which is confusing of course as its similar to the kit part numbers ( HA Rear, VA front )


Kit 29270-1 is for light weight front light weight rear in the box is a -1 front -1 rear
kit 29270-2 Is for heavy front light rear -2 front -1 rear
kit 29270-3 Is for light weight front heavy rear -1 front -2 rear
Kit 29270-4 Heavy front and back . -2 front - 2 rear

The bomb shell news is that these springs are all the same rate , they aren't harder or softer at all The difference is the length .-1 short -2 longer ,

The biggest problem is that these 4 spring combinations dont suit all the vans that we have in UK specially the modified ones ( camper or day van etc )

We at CRS have ended up with 14 different combinations of spring to enable correct drops and carry weight at the correct height . so its way more complex than it first seems.

To give you an idea of how to spec the H&R springs

29270-1 small engine. nothing in the rear
29270-2 Big ( heavier ) engine nothing in the rear
29270-3 Small engine Camper rear
29270-4 Big engine ( heavier ) and camper rear .

This is complicated further by E C Parts commissioning H&R to make the same 4 spring range but in 50 mm drops , These dont use normal H&R part numbers because they arent H&R catalogue parts,

to hi light the issues with a small range of springs

29270-4 in a 180 hp Biturbo camper LWB Manual drop is 60 mm NOT 40 mm
fitting any of these kits to a 4 motion add at least 10 to 15 mm to the lowering range !!

What we do with Camper or heavy vans , because we cant be sure about the weight that has been added we supply a height adjustable rear spring with a stronger rate to get the exact lowering and weight carrying range we need . ( we all know how successful using coil over kits to adjust camper sag has been in the industry and the associated failures a plenty )

If you need more help feel free to call us ,

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Great info - thankyou for that