Oil radiator installation. Possible troubleshooting solutions?

[FerrisBFW]

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Looking for space this morning bright and early

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so stood there for an hour this lunchtime looking at all options where to put this thing and I think roughly this is the only place. Big plus is the hose runs will be easy. I am going to use the supplied ones and then order properly made braided hoses with the right angle fittings after. Mock up pictures later today. I think I need to make heavier duty mounts from steel than the supplied ally meccano

 

[Cog Head]

How much air flow does it get down there?

 

[FerrisBFW]

its not great but I cant think of anywhere else for it to go. I might look at some extra holes maybe? Brackets made and painted this afternoon. Fit tomorrow. New filter should be here in the morning.

 

[Richard T6.1]

Like you say, that spot is not great at all.
This is where specialists like Redhead and others put them. Tried and tested for years. I wouldn’t gamble on the spot behind the bumper tbo. The radiator also needs to be protected from possible stones etc. A leak means loosing your engine oil. That goes very wrong really quick.

 

[Cog Head]

Like you say, that spot is not great at all.
This is where specialists like Redhead and others put them. Tried and tested for years. I wouldn’t gamble on the spot behind the bumper tbo. The radiator also needs to be protected from possible stones etc. A leak means loosing your engine oil. That goes very wrong really quick.

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That is exactly where my cooler be placed, and those pipework runs look exactly like the routes I’ve planned for mine.

Thanks for posting this

 

[Richard T6.1]

That is exactly where my cooler be placed, and those pipework runs look exactly like the routes I’ve planned for mine.

Thanks for posting this

You’re welcome @Cog Head. It’s just that I digged in deep on this subject. The German TX forum has a wealth of info on this. I was convinced I needed an oil cooler too and already planned the installation at Redhead in Germany. Turned out that wasn’t the case after all with a 150 as I mentioned earlier in this topic.

Looking forward to see your progress and results with a DIY solution. Cool!

 

[FerrisBFW]

Its actually not as bad as i first thought now mounted. Runs to the oiil filter are pretty easy. Lets give ut a go and see how it preforms i guess

 

[Sasquatch]

Was there anything in the instructions regarding the height of the cooler with respect to the filter?

 

[FerrisBFW]

Like you say, that spot is not great at all.
This is where specialists like Redhead and others put them. Tried and tested for years. I wouldn’t gamble on the spot behind the bumper tbo. The radiator also needs to be protected from possible stones etc. A leak means loosing your engine oil. That goes very wrong really quick.

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show me your oil filter end can you please? Doing that tomorrow with the made up pipes and then order

Was there anything in the instructions regarding the height of the cooler with respect to the filter?

nope. Plenty of oil coolers are mounted low down.

 

[FerrisBFW]

Just did some research on a few motorsport sites and most say the stories are all cobblers on orientation and location.

"It's only a minor point. You will get air caught in with the oil from time to time. It will be blown through the oil system until it reaches the crank case, or find a corner to collect in. The oil cooler is a good place for it to collect because the oil speed is quite low and it has dead corners. If you do get oil sitting here, it will tend to find its way out the top when the engine is off, and probably sit in the oil supply hose. Then when you start the engine it will get dumped back into the cooler. You won't get much air there because oil is thick stuff and will tend to carry the air bubbles away with it, but since there's no other difference I can see it seems best to have the oil and air agreeing that they both want to go the same way."

I am going to give it a go and see how it performs. If it doesnt work well its easy enough to disconnect/rework the mounting. I will do all this before buying the right length braided hoses.

 

[Sasquatch]

Just did some research on a few motorsport sites and most say the stories are all cobblers on orientation and location.

That's why I was asking. I was wondering what the manufacturer of the parts themselves thought on the matter.

 

[FerrisBFW]

I did read that you absolutely should not have your cooler near anything hot like a collant radiator…. I think both our locations fail on this front

 

[Richard T6.1]

Although touched on earlier in this topic, I think it's important to keep in mind that our application doesn't have anything to do with motorsport, high performance and/or tuned engines for or track(day) use'n all that. This is a utility van for daily use, year round. Very different use case, very different parameters. An additional oil cooler on our vans needs to step in gradually when, and only when, the oil temp gets too high. Not slam down the oil temp 20 degrees regardless. That's (sort of) fine on a 'motorsport engine' that's used as such. On our daily diesels this would likely make the cure worse than the disease.

The cooler working controlled in the right temperature window is much more important than where the rad sits. It's kind of the only parameter that matters really.