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2017 204 oil consumption issues [Resolved]
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Steve8n9
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I believe they sent it to auction as they don't keep or sell vans older than 5 years old, don't know what plate it is on now as I had private plate on it and can't remember original one, sorry. I think original started VE66 or HW66 ? Not sure, but just don't buy a 204bhp bi-turbo. Especially 16/17 plate ones as these seem to be the worst affected.
I’ve got a 2017 with 126k miles on and it uses maybe half a litre between oil changes (<10k).
Plenty of other little issues, but oil useage isn’t one of them……….YET
Plenty of other little issues, but oil useage isn’t one of them……….YET
204bhp 2016 CXEB owner here... no such issues.
What's the betting that the engines with problems haven't been serviced properly or have been mapped?
What's the betting that the engines with problems haven't been serviced properly or have been mapped?
Steve8n9
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Spoken like a true VW dealership ? Denial is the best way eh ? Regardless if you have had your van fully serviced at VW dealership and never altered the engines performance ?
Karma is a bitch, let's hope your van never starts showing signs and ends up costing you a fortune as VW will just shrug their shoulders and wriggle out of it.
All the best pal.
Karma is a bitch, let's hope your van never starts showing signs and ends up costing you a fortune as VW will just shrug their shoulders and wriggle out of it.
All the best pal.
The EGR system is feeding carbon back through the engine, add the high boost pressure from a bi-turbo engine and some of the carbon is bound to be forced past the compression rings and into the oil control rings. Once the oil control rings are fouled and no longer free to move it’s game over.
Oil analysis will reveal the carbon levels in the oil, even on a 12 month oil change the carbon levels can be excessive.
If that is not enough the Euro 6 DPF re-generation is also contaminating the oil even more.
High performance engines don’t last forever.
Oil analysis will reveal the carbon levels in the oil, even on a 12 month oil change the carbon levels can be excessive.
If that is not enough the Euro 6 DPF re-generation is also contaminating the oil even more.
High performance engines don’t last forever.
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@Steve8n9 I'm just wondering aloud. I read a lot of posts on various forums about engine issues in various cars and it's quite common to later find they've been mapped, or not had an oil change in 50k miles or something. If that's not the case and your 5-year old VW needs a new engine, obviously that's not on. Give me a 1.9 PD over a 2.0 CR any day of the week for reliability.
Yep I have a 22 year old PD, never skips a beat, looks like hell but only needs normal basic servicing.
driftingaway
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Mine has had 1 lady owner who bought it new from the same dealership and had it serviced by them on time, every time. DSG oil was changed at 39k. Immaculate inside and out and has never had a single advisory on MOT and aside from the oil consumption it runs perfectly. Yet at 59k, VW has declared the engine dead.
Clearly, this issue isn't as widespread as with the 180s but there's a fair bit of anecdotal evidence across this forum and Facebook to suggest there's something going on with 2016/17 vehicles.
I'm really hoping that an engine change is completed free of charge under consumer law, and gives me a fresh start and something that will last for years...
driftingaway
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The EGR is going to damage any engine, not having it can only improve reliability.
How that is achieved would be down to a specialist, it obviously needs to be done with detriment to the rest of the ECU function.
driftingaway
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As I understand it DS won’t do the EGR without the DPF. That might be a challenge as MOTs get more stringent in future.
Seem to be having the same problem. 2016 204,87k has got a lot worse over the last year burning through oil. Serviced regularly and often taken on long journeys
Just completed a 500+ mile round trip ove the last 2 days and had to top up half a litre!
A bit concerned to say the least, is it a ticking time bomb to just carry on topping it up and driving it!?
Just completed a 500+ mile round trip ove the last 2 days and had to top up half a litre!
A bit concerned to say the least, is it a ticking time bomb to just carry on topping it up and driving it!?
It isn’t going to get better by itself. It’s a case of flog it or fix it IMO.
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Van is booked in for EGR replacement this week, will this sort out the problems mentioned? Been getting issues for a while now and keep getting P2457 code. Van seems to be running fine, and oil consumption isn’t as bad as some i have read, probably topping up every 1400 miles at the moment
EGR function doesn’t affect oil consumption.
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Thanks I am so confused about all this. Hopefully replacement egr as recommended will stop the engine light coming on and nothing else sinister is going on.
For the oil consumption/ new engine needed issues what are the telltale symptoms of this starting to happen? I’m just concerned as topping up every 1400 miles these days when used to be nothing in between yearly service
Hoping it’s just that and not going to get worse as out of warranty and had serviced by independent vw specialist rather than vw themselves
For the oil consumption/ new engine needed issues what are the telltale symptoms of this starting to happen? I’m just concerned as topping up every 1400 miles these days when used to be nothing in between yearly service
Hoping it’s just that and not going to get worse as out of warranty and had serviced by independent vw specialist rather than vw themselves
There are three possibilities for the lost oil path assuming it is not an external leak or worn valve seals.
External oil leak - very easy to eliminate by visual check.
Worn valve seals - highly unlikely unless a very high milage / old van and even then the quantity lost would be less than you are reporting.
1. The oil control piston rings / cylinder bores are no longer sealing and the oil is being burnt.
2. The crankcase breather valve (PCV) is no longer effective, possibly through age related degradation or item 1 above. You could catch this with a trap placed between the PCV and the induction, you still loose the oil but it won’t be creating soot.
3. Excessive oil loss through worn turbochargers. Once you have the trap installed (see 2. above) and the induction hose has been removed and internally cleaned any oil subsequently deposited on the inside of the induction hose will be from the the turbochargers.
It could be a combination of any of the above.
Either way the oil will be partially burnt in the combustion process and the resulting soot will foul the EGR and DPF.
Replacing the EGR before you fix the oil loss issue is a waste of time and money.
An oil analysis will reveal the level of oil contaminants which is a good indication of the state of engine wear. If it were my van I wouldn’t be throwing any more money at the engine before doing this. If the iron levels are high then a compression test will confirm whether there is cylinder bore wear.
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