Low temperature lithium battery

Strange one this. If I hook up my portable Aircon to the Victron inverter BMV doesn’t show any battery use. But it’s drawing about 2.1amps ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ according to BMS. Very strange . My bike battery & cool box both show a draw no problem. Maybe 2amps ain’t enough but its throwing out the BMV sync now.

8684A70D-75B2-4F0A-A558-E197E592BC24.png

D51AC229-30EC-4FDF-B9A1-77821C6C1AF2.png
 
data logging . . .

I've hooked up two BM2 voltage loggers.

one battery has a Victron MPPT connected, but no solar.

and the other has just the BM2.

im waiting for the auto sleep / low power mode to kick in.

48hrs so far . . . . . . still waiting !

1623666679472.png

.


1623666628971.png

.


1623666641084.png

.


1623666655319.png

.


1623666664730.png


.

Edit:

i gave up waiting so manually set sleep mode on the front battery.

with the BM2 and Victron MPPT connected the 8v i say before dropped to 2.0v.

the BM2 cut out, as did the MPPT.

the 2.0v metered out wasnt enough to power anything.

1623700968894.png

switching sleep off, bout the battery voltage back t the 13.2v rest voltage.



1623701079037.png


.


edit:

Bm2 data logger has been on 3days now . . . still no sleep.

12th 1000hrs start.
13th
14th
15th
 
Last edited:
Strange one this. If I hook up my portable Aircon to the Victron inverter BMV doesn’t show any battery use. But it’s drawing about 2.1amps ¯\_(ツ)_/¯️ according to BMS. Very strange . My bike battery & cool box both show a draw no problem. Maybe 2amps ain’t enough but its throwing out the BMV sync now.

View attachment 119458

View attachment 119459


something not right there @Mick

the BMV should be logging that. . . . . defo.

you said inverter. . . .

is that connected direct across the battery? and not via the shunt? (so bypassing the BMV?)

do other loads plugged into the inverter register?

is so, has the 0A calibration been messed up?


this is my BMV . . . shows ALL current low even 0.1A


0.45A charge.

1623667423157.png

..

-1.93A discharge

1623667452196.png
.

2.84A charge.

1623667481519.png
 
Fixed as per my DM on WhatsApp move the neg from battery to chassis side of shunt.
DM to who on whatsapp? - not me?

so the inverter was direct accross the battery then . . . . .?

what wattage inverter is it?
 
Fixed as per my DM on WhatsApp move the neg from battery to chassis side of shunt.
I just checked :D I sent it to a ski buddy who is an accountant:cool: he’s clueless.
Yes direct across the battery. 375w needed it for my e bike 180w charger.
 
something not right there @Mick

the BMV should be logging that. . . . . defo.

you said inverter. . . .

is that connected direct across the battery? and not via the shunt? (so bypassing the BMV?)

do other loads plugged into the inverter register?

is so, has the 0A calibration been messed up?


this is my BMV . . . shows ALL current low even 0.1A


0.45A charge.

View attachment 119606

..

-1.93A discharge

View attachment 119607

.

Lee just been out to mine after 48 hours. Bluetooth turned off I couldn’t connect via Bluetooth . The voltage was showing on the van voltmeter & in the BMV/MPPT

Pressed the sleep button Bluetooth kicked straight in.
I just wander if there are ‘levels’ of sleep.
 
sleep testing.

This battery has been sitting there for almost 6days.

12,13,14,15,16,17th

the 3x blue lights have remained on . .

the green BT light is off.

the APP will connect and green light on - tested about once a day.

the only thing connected to the battery is a BM2 - Bluetooth battery monitor ( this was checked about once a day to see if still working )

the battery:


1623930759013.png1623930777817.png1623930785798.png


...


the BM2 readout . . . . .


1623930979648.png1623930994998.png1623931003228.png1623931012679.png1623931024198.png1623931033201.png1623931042392.png



so in this testing the battery did not go into deep sleep - that requires the button to be pressed to wake it up.


But . . .


i did notice that previously before tests started that the battery did go to sleep after a couple of days.


so . . .


my assumption is that the battery BMS monitors the current flow . . . . any current flow seems to reset the sleep timer, it looks like just the BM2 unit running is enough to keep it awake.. that should mean that the battery should stay awake. Unless there was a no current flow situation for the two ish days . . . example is a battery isolator switch was fitted?

@Mick i diont know why yours went to sleep? - but mine arnt.


.
 
Lee just been out to mine after 48 hours. Bluetooth turned off I couldn’t connect via Bluetooth . The voltage was showing on the van voltmeter & in the BMV/MPPT

Pressed the sleep button Bluetooth kicked straight in.
I just wander if there are ‘levels’ of sleep.
when you went out . . . was the blue level lights on? = NOT sleeping.

when you tried the APP . . . did you try a few times?

or try turning BT off/on on the phone? - i think the battery BT unit goes into low power mode and looks for a signal every now and then . . .
 
when you went out . . . was the blue level lights on? = NOT sleeping.

when you tried the APP . . . did you try a few times?

or try turning BT off/on on the phone? - i think the battery BT unit goes into low power mode and looks for a signal every now and then . . .
No lights on,

App tried 4 - 5 times

Soon as pressed the sleep button on it came.

What I could have done (I'm kicking myself for not thinking about it) is switch on the lights to see if that turned it on
 
No lights on,

App tried 4 - 5 times

Soon as pressed the sleep button on it came.

What I could have done (I'm kicking myself for not thinking about it) is switch on the lights to see if that turned it on
that will be your next test then . .

have you got a BM2 running?

or is it just the BMV712? . . . .

mines staying on with the littlest of power draw.
 
that will be your next test then . .

have you got a BM2 running?

or is it just the BMV712? . . . .

mines staying on with the littlest of power draw.
My BM2 failed about 3 months ago. No connection Bluetooth died. Just the BMV712.

Edit: Just reconnected and it's now jumped back to life FFS. I'll put it back on the main drive battery.
 
Last edited:
- Capacity and BMS shutdown test -

battery was fully charged to 100%, then left the charger connected over night . . . till 0A was drawn - battery 100%

HERE IS THE SETUP, 1x charge battery, connected to a current shunt. - to meter out the Ah drawn.

1x Victron 800va inverter
1x 240v main dehumidifier.
1x 240v pool pump
1x 240v heat gun

1623954957546.png

we start the test 13:15hrs and start ramping up the loads . . . . 26A at this point.

1623955027870.png

we keep adding loads till we get to about 47A - that's maxing out the inverter now, so 800W ish.

this is the bits to look at:

Orange is the Current being drawn from the battery - here its 46.6A

the Yellow is the drawn power over time - here 11.4AH... battery is rated for 100AH,. also the time 0:22H (so 20mins)

(ignore the WH reading as that ties in with the Volts and i didnt have that connected)

1623955294973.png

here we can see the data . . .

left is the POWEROAD APP, middle the Victron inverter, right is the BM2 unit.

1623955360744.png


drawing 47A flat out . . . . an hour later we have this.

battery showing 65% left, 12.9V.

1623955523048.png

the thermals are great the battery isnt even warm to the touch . . .

1623955604475.png1623955621360.png

...

by 15:10hrs (almost 2hours drawing 47A flat) we have this.

battery 31% left @ 12.8v


1623955716517.png

..
by 15:25hrs we are down to 20% @ 12.7v

1623955801379.png

the meter is still showing the 47A being drawn for 1:59hr

1623955856556.png

the BM2 is showing the gradual drop in voltage due to the 47A being pulled from the battery.

1623955916642.png


by 15:40hrs we are at 10% @ 12.5v (thats 2.5hrs ish pulling 47A !!! )

1623955995438.png

by 9% battery we hit the 100AH drawn mark - that the rated battery capacity.

1623956081286.png

but i keeps going. . . . . . . still pulling 47A.

15.47 we hit 5% @ 12.4v on the battery monitor APP...


Things start to drop drastically fast from this point.

The battery voltage is dropping fast and the current is ramping up to compensate - but is still going.

1623956145560.png

15:52hrs we hit 1% . . 47A @ 12.0V

you can see the BM2 voltage graph dropping across the screen.


1623956218219.png

...



1554 its now 0% 50A 11.7v - the inverter shut down due to the low voltage alarm.

1623956400677.png


i switched off the inverter LVD and carried on.

16:00hrs . . . 0% 10.98v and still going.

1623956491216.png



16:04hrs . . . . the power to the battery terminals cut out. - but the battery APP was still live.

we had a "cell low voltage alarm "


1623956620525.png

the voltmeter test showed we had the 2v monitor voltage at the terminals and the battery was effectivly in sleep / protect mode.

1623956675876.png

forcing the battery to come back to life again . . .

we had the final result.

battery capacity 113AH - 113% of rated spec.

runtime @ 47A - 2hours and 51mins !!!!!

that's just awesome - !!!!!!



the BMS LVD is set to 10V . . . . . but we didnt get there . . . . yet.

it was the cell balance monitor that cut the BMS out as we was drawing a large load for a lon time.


im sure that if we pulled a lesser load that the cells would stay in balance, then allowing all 4 to drop together and got max capacity out down to the 10V whole battery shutdown.


1623956747078.png




Notes..


The battery would come back to life after a short while when in cell LVD alarm mode - when cell voltage recovered. (while blue leds on)

when cell or battery was too low the battery went into sleep mode. (all leds off)

Things went south very quickly below 5% SOC - but id be happy to run down to 5% if needed.

The battery will protect itself below 0% with the BMS

for a high cycle count and long lifetime is say 10% is a good lower limit to go to.

the battery didn't even get warm drawing 50A for 3hrs.

ill have to hook up the 1500W inverter to start testing a 100A load to check for heat build up.

so far very happy with this battery.

it pouch cells and super lightweight compared to the Green Lifepo4 battery that has the 18650 cells.
 
Back in doors now and on charge. . .

after a stella performance earlier.

113AH over 3hrs pulling 47Amps

1623958359234.png

.

in door and back on a charge station. . . its back to life.

1623958389860.png

the Bm2 shows the drop and recovery in cell voltage after the load was removed....

1623958428095.png

this is the charger we going with - Victron 12/1/30 a 30A bluesmart.

1623958485683.png

here we can see the 30A Bulk charge rate . . . . .

1623958527076.png


and the effect on the BM2 as the voltage rises . .

1623958553312.png


...


TBC -


ill update when the battery is charged with the final recharge AH.


.

1623958509268.png



edit:

re-charge complete.

30A victron charger . . . .

29.2Ah bulk
56.9Ah Abs
27.4Ah Storage

29.20+56.9+27.4 = 113.5Ah

so thats confirmed . . . took out 113Ah, put back 113.5Ah - job done.



1624020555862.png1624020568562.png1624020577552.png1624020586142.png1624020593957.png1624020602231.png
 
Last edited:
Back in doors now and on charge. . .

after a stella performance earlier.

113AH over 3hrs pulling 47Amps

View attachment 120127

.

in door and back on a charge station. . . its back to life.

View attachment 120128

the Bm2 shows the drop and recovery in cell voltage after the load was removed....

View attachment 120129

this is the charger we going with - Victron 12/1/30 a 30A bluesmart.

View attachment 120130

here we can see the 30A Bulk charge rate . . . . .

View attachment 120132


and the effect on the BM2 as the voltage rises . .

View attachment 120133


...


TBC -


ill update when the battery is charged with the final recharge AH.


.

View attachment 120131
I’ll take that all day long. At Weston I won’t need either solar or the genny.
 
that will be your next test then . .

have you got a BM2 running?

or is it just the BMV712? . . . .

mines staying on with the littlest of power draw.
Interesting this morning.

Battery Sleeping cant connect via Bluetooth.


No voltage showing on the BMV but van voltmeter showing 13.1v.

Switch van lights on BMV shows 25w. No change to battery. Wait 1 minutes still no change.

Turn off van lights immediately 3 blue lights come on the battery and app connects & shows 77%.

Nothing on the BMV. Resync BMV to 100% and manually adjust to 77%. All good.

Check solar MPPV no connection via bluetooth. Showing a float charge light but no power into BMV. Tried all the usual stuff reboot phone, bluetooth off and on. Eventually I had to disconnect the battery and the solar panel and reconnect and the bluetooth came back. that's the 2nd time the MPPV bluetooth has had an issue with it going to sleep!

Time to leave it all alone :uh run:

IMG_6200.PNG

IMG_6204.jpg

IMG_6201.PNG
 
My test1 battery has been sitting there for 5 days now.

Only thing conected is a BM2.

Still hasnt gone to sleep.

Ill post bm2 shots later.
 
With a Victron dc-dc charger and MPPT controller, I can set both to LiFePO4 profiles. Is this enough to ensure the battery is not charged below 0 degrees?

Given that regular humans are not going to inhabit a campervan at 0C, is there value for most people is the additional £ of a low temp battery? Bringing the campervan temp to a comfortable temperature will keep a regular LLiFePO4 in operation. Or am I missing something here?
 
@JBR80 what battery is it?

The victron mppt controller will stop chrging below 5degc in lithium profile.

The vic orion will not stop charging.....
 
Back
Top