[Guide] [T6_modified] T6 Webasto Aux/Parking (water) Heater Configuration with VCDS

[Pauly]

@nuttygt4 sounds like you are going off on a bit of a tangent here to the original purpose of the thread ?
If i understand it correctly you have the engine heater and want to change it over to be a parking heater and feed the cab, to my knowledge regardless of the overhead unit you need to flash the firmware of the heater to make it compatible with this function and accept external inputs to control it ?
I think a couple of the guys that have done this may be able to provide some info and then maybe we can split this into a separate thread
@Crewey
@carlg

 

[nuttygt4]

@nuttygt4 sounds like you are going off on a bit of a tangent here to the original purpose of the thread ?
If i understand it correctly you have the engine heater and want to change it over to be a parking heater and feed the cab, to my knowledge regardless of the overhead unit you need to flash the firmware of the heater to make it compatible with this function and accept external inputs to control it ?
I think a couple of the guys that have done this may be able to provide some info and then maybe we can split this into a separate thread
@Crewey
@carlg

Pauly, It seems like it, all I'm after is the overhead panel working with my water heater. I will start another post and see how it goes. Cheers

 

[mmi]

I have managed to find the time to do a full scan, I have attached it, if anyone can help me out with this I would be grateful.

@nuttygt4 sounds like you are going off on a bit of a tangent here to the original purpose of the thread ?
If i understand it correctly you have the engine heater and want to change it over to be a parking heater and feed the cab, to my knowledge regardless of the overhead unit you need to flash the firmware of the heater to make it compatible with this function and accept external inputs to control it ?
I think a couple of the guys that have done this may be able to provide some info and then maybe we can split this into a separate thread

My concern in the autoscan is the fault:

01207 - Control Module for Auxiliary Heater (J364)
011 - Open Circuit​

It has been registered 82 times - and the fault was there at the time of scan (otherwise should have been registered as intermittent). A wiring problem?

I still would like to think these are "a matched pair" as the configuration seems to be the same as found earlier in this thread on Ross-Tech site See earlier

However google seems to find mentions that 7E0 815 071 C might be just an engine heater and thus needing a firmware change... and I had a scan with this heater but without a control unit...

 

[mmi]

Updates to the original post:

PS. In late MY18 (recently delivered) vans the low voltage cut-out configuration has been changed, see picture below. The both vans from where the codings (above and below) were grabbed have second battery from factory under left seat.

The reason probably is that in MY18 onwards the Webasto coolant heater is powered from starter battery (even with factory installed aux battery). In MY17 and before the power feed was from the aux battery (when factory installed). However there are some indications that the transition is not exactly at MY18/17 transition but within early MY18... EDIT: Wiring diagrams states that change is effective NOV-2017 onwards.

Definitely makes sense to have van's energy management take care of all the onboard consumers. However now it's not clear what are the cut-out conditions as it obviously comes from van's energy management. In stand-alone configuration the condition for Webasto presumably was - less than 11.3V [EDIT: value corrected] for more than 20 seconds (based on values in module 18 adaptations).

PS 2. Does anyone know access code for adaptations? The controller accepts code 20103 but it still doesn't allow me to tweak adaptation channels. Not that there is any need to change anything, just don't like the idea not having all the controls .

The VCDS reports "invalid message length" and thus adaptations are rejected. There seems to be a mismatch in communication protocol. Ross-Tech is aware of the issue and the root cause so would expect to see it fixed eventually. Details --> VW Transporter T6, Address 18 Aux.Heat --- Adaptation FAIL

However OBDeleven handles this just fine (verified with version 0.11.2, the current as today) .

 

[Jey]

Hello !

Thanks a lot for this topic!
I'm living in Finnish Lapland (we have -40°c sometimes), and I need to heat the engine too (my Caravelle is coming from France).
Please, what is the path to follow in VCDS to access to this window/panel to change settings?

 

[mmi]

Hello !

Thanks a lot for this topic!
I'm living in Finnish Lapland (we have -40°c sometimes), and I need to heat the engine too (my Caravelle is coming from France).
Please, what is the path to follow in VCDS to access to this window/panel to change settings?

Welcome! The path should be pretty obvious as soon as you have hooked the VCDS into vans OBD socket:
Control Module --> 18 Aux. Heat --> Coding

Then there should be the views as at the top of this thread.​

What you have for starting up the Webasto, an overhead panel and/or a remote?

​

 

[Jey]

Thanks !
I have overhead panel and the remote.
The Webasto is : Thermo Top Evo, 12v / 5,0 kW, diesel, max 2.5bar

 

[Jey]

I tried.
My window is different, like this.

I untick the BIT 2, saved, and tested...
I don't think the engine is warming. All is cold (0°c today, so it's easy to feel a difference and not a lot to warm).
I used a thermal camera and nothing is warmer after 30 minutes on the engine block/
I checked again with the computer, the BIT 2 is unticked.

Strange.

 

[mmi]

I don't think the engine is warming. All is cold (0°c today, so it's easy to feel a difference and not a lot to warm).
I used a thermal camera and nothing is warmer after 30 minutes on the engine block/
I checked again with the computer, the BIT 2 is unticked.

So the bit 2 was ticked thus the original coding was 5401 (as in the picture).
Did you check if there are any faults in the heater? Did it start to heat the cabin then right away? When did the cabin fresh air blower start to blow (how many minutes from starting the heater)?
Yes, you should see the engine coolant to warm up to 30C in about 5-6 minutes (e.g. could monitor engine coolant temperature in module 01).
Can you hear coolant circulation pump running?

 

[Jey]

It's working! The top of the engine stay cold, but I puted my hand behind the engine and he is really warm!

THANKS A LOT !
After 3 winter, next will be better for my engine

 

[MrJJ]

Hello

Greetings from Finland. It is getting cold here and only cabin is warming up in my T5.1.
I read the coding and it is 1322 => 1 0011 0010 0010 so it is atleast 4 bytes now.

Seems like coding is totally different from what presented here ?!
My van is MY13 with 2.0TDI 103kw. Heater is 7E0819008D
There is overhead display, 2nd battery and telestart from factory.

My VCDS (newest version) with HEX PRO does not show any interpretation for coding.

 

[mmi]

Hello

Greetings from Finland. It is getting cold here and only cabin is warming up in my T5.1.
I read the coding and it is 1322 => 1 0011 0010 0010 so it is atleast 4 bytes now.

Seems like coding is totally different from what presented here ?!
My van is MY13 with 2.0TDI 103kw. Heater is 7E0819008D
There is overhead display, 2nd battery and telestart from factory.

My VCDS (newest version) with HEX PRO does not show any interpretation for coding.

Hello there - not far away!

Interested to see full VCDS Scan of your van (you can remove last 6 digits of the VIN) - so I could try to find a similar one.

Meanwhile you could try German version of the VCDS as it seems there is a label file for your heater (a matching file name with the heater). Would be interesting to see if the coding is decoded there. If this works please copy the screenshots (alt-PrtScr) then here (ctrl-V into message).

German VCDS download --> Downloads
It installs into a different directory so it does not interfere with the current one. However as your license probably doesn't cover German VCDS it will be just "read-only" - but anyways the codings will be shown.

 

[MrJJ]

Tuesday,22,October,2019,22:36:14:53143
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)
Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
[URL="http://www.Ross-Tech.com"]www.Ross-Tech.com[/URL]


VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZDH05xxxx   License Plate: 


Chassis Type: 7H-VN75 (6N0)
Scan: 01 02 03 04 08 09 10 15 17 18 19 25 2E 56 69 6E 77 0B

VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZDH05xxxx  Mileage: 179570km-111579miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
10-Park/Steer Assist -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
18-Aux. Heat -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: Malfunction 0010
6E-Ctrl Head Roof -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: Malfunction 0010

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (J623-CAAC)       Labels:. 03L-906-022-CAA.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 019 FK    HW: 03L 907 309 M
   Component: R4 2.0l TDI   H44 9978 
   Revision: 26H44---    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 0125401A233400080000
   Shop #: WSC 40580 222 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906019FK 004006
   ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906019FK_004.rod
   VCID: 79F26BC2F816C587E0-802C

1 Fault Found:
4985 - Cylinder 2 Glow Plug Circuit (Q11) 
          P0672 00 [109] - Electrical Fault
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Mileage: 179240 km
                    Date: 2019.10.10
                    Time: 15:52:24

                    Engine speed: 0.00 /min
                    Normed load value: 0.0 %
                    Vehicle speed: 0 km/h
                    Coolant temperature: 10 °C
                    Intake air temperature: 8 °C
                    Ambient air pressure: 980 mbar
                    Voltage terminal 30: 11.400 V
                    Unlearning counter according OBD: 40
                    Electric auxiliary heater: shut-off conditions-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Electric auxiliary heater: shut-off conditions-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Electric auxiliary heater: relay activation-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Preheat time: 2500 ms
                    Glow status-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Glow status-Bits 0-7: 48
                    Glow cycles above temperature threshold-Bits 0-7: 0
                    Glow cycles above temperature threshold-Bits 0-7: 6
                    Glow cycles below temperature threshold-Bits 0-7: 6
                    Glow cycles below temperature threshold-Bits 0-7: 36
                    Outside air temperature: 6.5 °C

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans (J743)       Labels:. 0BH-927-711.clb
   Part No SW: 0BT 300 045 R    HW: 0BH 927 711 G
   Component: DSG DQ500-7F  H11 2255 
   Revision: 00H11V01   
   Coding: 0014
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMDQ500021 001001
   ROD: EV_TCMDQ500021_VW36.rod
   VCID: 448CCA36CF54486FC3-8010

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes (-----)       Labels: 7E0-907-37x-MK25AXT.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 907 379 K    HW: 7E0 907 379 E
   Component: ESP MK25A XT  H43 0110 
   Revision: 00H43001   
   Coding: 708724AD89A90E9724A89172696010
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 49152
   VCID: 3A70B4CEB5900E9FA9-806E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels:| 7E5-907-047.clb
   Part No SW: 7E5 907 047 BK    HW: 7E5 907 047 BK
   Component: Climatic-T5   H20 0505 
   Revision: 00001010   
   Coding: 0000000002
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_ClimaticT5 A01003
   ROD: EV_ClimaT5Basis.rod
   VCID: 79F26BC2F816C587E0-802C

1 Fault Found:
9474161 - Motor for Defroster Flap 
          B1090 71 [008] - Actuator stuck
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 141
                    Mileage: 179269 km
                    Date: 2019.10.17
                    Time: 07:41:52


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 7H0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 7H0 937 089 F    HW: 7H0 937 089 
   Component: BCM T5GP Li4  H50 0254 
   Revision: BS050001    Serial number: 0465 251120584
   Coding: A0A0303A0E21203201280E702EEB8E548290610F60042C41300000000000
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 00000
   VCID: 3972ABC2B0960587A0-806C

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
   Component: RLS 011012 05  54  0403 
   Coding: 02302E

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 801     HW: 7E0 959 801   Labels: 7E0-959-80X-V1.CLB
   Component: J386__TSG_FT  002 3313 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 802     HW: 7E0 959 802   Labels: 7E0-959-80X-V1.CLB
   Component: J387__TSG_BT  002 3313 
   Serial number: --------------------
   Coding: 000000

   Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 3C8 959 537 D    HW: 3C8 959 537 D  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
   Component: E221__MFL-TK6  H07 0022 
   Serial number: 10000000000000249304
   Coding: E20000

1 Fault Found:
03304 - Response Closing Status of Rear Right Door 
            008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00101000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 24
                    Reset counter: 138
                    Mileage: 178930 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.02.15
                    Time: 07:40:51


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 10: Park/Steer Assist (J446)       Labels:| 7E0-919-475.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 919 475 K    HW: 1Q0 919 475 
   Component: PARKHILFE 4K  H03 0106 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 32901225402560
   Coding: 118101
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_VW75XParkAssis4K 001004
   ROD: EV_VW75XParkAssis4K_001.rod
   VCID: 3A70B4CEBD900E9FA9-806E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
   Part No SW: 7E0 959 655 B    HW: 7E0 959 655 B
   Component: VW10Airbag003 H07 0013 
   Revision: --------    Serial number: 003HL00DZBS%
   Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000003033
   Shop #: WSC 02734 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750 A01026
   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750_VW12.rod
   VCID: 356AA7F2948EE1E744-8060

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 7E0 920 870 G    HW: 7E0 920 870 G
   Component: KOMBI         H06 0605 
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 160A01
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04716
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
   VCID: 2D5A8F927CDEA9273C-8078

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 18: Aux. Heat        Labels: None
   Part No: 7E0 819 008 D
   Component: J737__Standheizung  0605 
   Revision: 00084000    Serial number: 09019169F00000
   Coding: 0001322
   Shop #: WSC 02737 790 00000
   VCID: 2A50848E8530BE1FD9-807E

1 Fault Found:
01336 - Company Data Bus for Comfort System 
            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100100
                    Fault Priority: 1
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 0 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.03.10
                    Time: 00:00:01

             Freeze Frame:
                        OFF
                    Temperature: 15.0°C
                    Voltage: 12.92 V
                    Temperature: 77.5°C


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 6N0-909-901-6R.clb
   Part No SW: 6N0 909 901     HW: 7H0 937 089 
   Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H50 0254 
   Revision: BS050001   
   Coding: 042200
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 00000
   VCID: 70E456E6A36C84CF57-8024

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234 
   Component: IMMO          H06 0605 
   Serial number:               
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03709
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6AD0448E8DB07E1F19-803E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl
   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 F    HW: 5N0 035 342 F
   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H18 0546 
   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7663512947   
   Coding: 010100
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 00000
   VCID: 2A50848E4530BE1FD9-807E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
   Part No SW: 5M0 035 186 J    HW: 5M0 035 186 J
   Component: Radio RCD310  042 0082 
   Revision: 01000001    Serial number: VWZ1Z2M4634852
   Coding: 01000200020014
   Shop #: WSC 02734 790 00000
   VCID: 336E99EA92FAFFD76A-8066

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 69: Trailer (J345)       Labels:. 1K0-907-383-V2.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 383 G    HW: 1K0 907 383 G
   Component: Anhaenger     H10 0110 
   Revision: 3B001001    Serial number: 00000183765998
   Coding: 410D000101000000
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 00000
   VCID: 316293E268E6CDC718-8064

1 Fault Found:
02566 - Trailer; Left Turn Signals (M62) 
            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent - MIL ON
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 10101010
                    Fault Priority: 3
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 137
                    Mileage: 179309 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2014.03.09
                    Time: 17:37:18


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 6E: Ctrl Head Roof (J702)       Labels:. 7E5-919-037-W2.clb
   Part No SW: 7E5 919 037 G    HW: 7E5 919 037 G
   Component: Dachdisplay   H15 0185 
   Revision: 10100011    Serial number: 259065       
   Coding: 000203
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 00000
   VCID: 356AA7F29C8EE1E744-8060

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels:| 7P6-035-730.clb
   Part No SW: 7P6 035 730 J    HW: 7P6 035 730 J
   Component: TELEFON       H15 3200 
   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007663503796
   Coding: 0A01010000010101
   Shop #: WSC 02736 790 50316
   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA 002720
   ROD: EV_UHVNA_002.rod
   VCID: 3972ABC2B8960587A0-806C

1 Fault Found:
9458195 - Control Module for Cellular Telephone 
          B1052 13 [008] - Open Circuit
          [New feature! Extended UDS fault detail is only supported by current gen. interfaces]
          Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 4
                    Fault Frequency: 106
                    Reset counter: 143
                    Mileage: 178749 km
                    Date: 2019.09.20
                    Time: 17:11:12


End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 03:22)--------------------------

 

[MrJJ]

Interesting. I downloaded and run it. It does not let do anything, not even autoscan. I could open aux heater and see same coding.
There was actually label file for it but when copied to english version of vcds, it did not change anything. (copied to label file directory, should I do something more for it?)



Here is the label file 7E0-819-008.clb
Gofile - File sharing platform, anonymous and free

 

[mmi]

Ouch, that's interesting. Obviously the few modules I have been snooping around using German version were not "locked" as all the coding explanation were available - as "read only".

Yes, the label-directory is the place where the files are. As the files are encrypted (for obvious reason) seems the encryption is not the same as in English version.

Perhaps you could ask Ross-Tech to move the German label-file into English VCDS? ---> Product Support:

PS. The same heater as yours at Ross-Tech Forum ---> VW Transporter 2012 - Webasto Aux heater remote coding (label file none)

PS2. Thanks for the scan. Let's see if I can catch a similar one but configured to heat the engine.

 

[mmi]

Hello

Greetings from Finland. It is getting cold here and only cabin is warming up in my T5.1.
I read the coding and it is 1322 => 1 0011 0010 0010 so it is atleast 4 bytes now.

Seems like coding is totally different from what presented here ?!
My van is MY13 with 2.0TDI 103kw. Heater is 7E0819008D
There is overhead display, 2nd battery and telestart from factory.

My VCDS (newest version) with HEX PRO does not show any interpretation for coding.

Found a similar MY14 with 7E0 819 008F + OEM remote + overhead controller. The coding was "0020322". Another MY12 had 0000022. In addition to that got confirmation that on "regular" cars the change over valve coding is as "xxxxOxx" [EDIT: bit misalignment].

So there is pretty high confidence that coding 18-Aux.heater " as 0000322" should do the trick for you. The other "bytes" are for remote installed/no, low voltage cutoff etc.

 

[MrJJ]

Well I think I don´t follow now fully... Changing from 1322 (dec) to 0322(dec) will change three bits

I also got hint that it would be 5th bit so 1290(dec) would not set that bit but let others be as they were.

 

[Robert]

I presume you mean hex when you say dec?

 

[mmi]

Well I think I don´t follow now fully... Changing from 1322 (dec) to 0322(dec) will change three bits

I also got hint that it would be 5th bit so 1290(dec) would not set that bit but let others be as they were.

Well - I just did VCDS Scans of a similar vans. But I didn't look how it looks when "entering into the module" .

However, I did have a look at coding of another heater (7E0 815 071 B) which does not have the label file either. Noticed that there won't be the usual coding helper. Instead there is just a similar screen you posted so I assume you need simply type the "0000322" in there and then just "Do it". It is all in hex. The binary equivalent would be 0000 0000 0000 0000 0011 0010 0010.

 

[MrJJ]

okay it is not about bits, it is just numbers. From VCDS forum found out:

00?xxx2: Axiliary Functions
0 = Start-Stop not active/installed
2 = Start-Stop is active/installed

00x?xx2: Remote Control
0 = Remote Control/Telestart not installed
1 = Remote Control/Telestart is installed

00xx?x2: 2/3-valve
0 = ENGINE & CABIN => to be verified
2 = ENGINE => to be verified
3 = CABIN => VERIFIED, FACTORY DEFAULT

00xxx?2: HVAC Type:
0 = Just Heating
2 = A/C with Climatic type controls
3 = A/C with Climatronic type controls

So mmi...you are 100% right, coding 20322 makes sense too. We will see tomorrow morning how it did change after I now set it to zero...1022