T6 suffering the same drive shaft issues as the T5?

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As per heading. Do we know if the T6's are experiencing the same issue with the drive shaft spline wear.
My T6 103Kw DSG is showing some backlash that I can not explain. All rubber mountings on engine and gearbox have been replace OEM VW. It is a lot better, but not what I would consider to be normal. I know the shafts are not the same between the T5 an T6.
 
I think our van may be suffering the same issue. The van was just in for a service and whilst in they’ve noticed significant wear to the drive shaft splines where they enter the gearbox. The garage have fitted new driveshaft but the splines in the gearbox are worn too. It’s a DSG box on a 2017 T6, 79,000miles. We understand that the splines on the box can be changed on earlier models, but not on the newer gear boxes.

Does anyone have any advice?
 
I‘ve had many hydraulic cylinders refurbished by cylindrical grinding, chrome plating and re-grinding either back to standard or oversize.
In theory it’s possible to do the same with a drive shaft spline and make it oversize. It’s a case of finding a specialist company and most of all whether it’s cost effective.
 
nah thats futile, wouldn't work, it's splines supplied by vw, there pattern .. the femail splines in the 2wd dsg gearbox are part of the diff, the backside of them both, attached are 2 planet gears, run from sun/crown gear, it is your female drive spline where your shoddy toffee driveshafts insert and wear out with .....
VW do supply a whole diff. cassette repair assembly ... but won't repair a gearbox.... too technical for them ...
Buy a diff from ali express ... 6-700 quid ... you still got to strip and rebuild your box.
I been there, put T6 4motion in as an option..
 
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A mate's T5.1 DSG has recently had the O/S splines fail, as in totally stripped and no drive. This is when I discovered the DSG has a completely different set up to the manual, where the gearbox has the female splines, and the driveshaft has the male splines, there is no intermediate stub shaft.

Now this failure is also happening on the offside of DSG boxes, I think we can rule out soft metal, as the near sides virtually never fail. The common denominator is the fixed transfer shaft. I think that because there is no CV joint on the O/S of the gearbox, there is nothing to allow for the driveshaft to flex, so any mismatch of alignment and wobble allows the splines to move around and wear out. As soon as the wear is significant, the grease disappears, water gets in and the process accelerates until failing. I'm sure if they'd fitted a third CV joint to the gearbox end, O/S driveshaft failures would have been rare, and no different to the N/S.

My mate was told by VW that no parts are available for the DSG apart from clutch packs, so a new box was needed. He went to an auto box specialist, who sourced the planet gear with the splines that lives inside the diff and rebuilt the box. (I gather the DSG's are made by Borg Warner, so they probably source parts directly).
Anyway, all back on the road and working fine.

I think I'll check my T6.1 drive shaft at the 80,000 DSG oil change, and wallop some more grease in.
 
Is there anyway to put a drilling in the housing with a grease nipple?
 
Is there anyway to put a drilling in the housing with a grease nipple?
On the manual boxes, you could fit one on the hollow transfer shaft, on my old T5, I shoved a load of foam pipe insulation down the tube to stop the grease migrating down the tube.
On the DSG box, that would be unadvisable, (and probably impossible anyway) as the ends of the planet gear female splines are capped off with a plastic / metal cap, ie the gear is a hollow tube.
Any excess grease pressure would really easily pop off the cap into the gearbox, it's only a push fit. If that happened, the gearbox oil would slowly drain out of the driveshaft, and a complete gearbox rebuild would be needed to recover and replace the cap.
Bit of a shit design really, as if you were to shove too much grease in the splines and installed the driveshaft with not that much excess force, the cap would pop off.
 
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Looks like it might be good practice to pull the drive shafts, clean and grease when an opportunity arises during other work like a shock absorber renewal.
 
Later t5.1/t6 dsg have internal spline which u can buy but it’s a gearbox removal/ strip to fit new in the gearbox
 
Later t5.1/t6 dsg have internal spline which u can buy but it’s a gearbox removal/ strip to fit new in the gearbox
Spline is on back of the planet gears in the diff ... VW don't promote it but they will sell you a cassette unit differential, complete for your dq500.
Read this ... VW T5.1 being upgraded to T6 4motion running gear I went into it ...
I would never own another fwd dsg without driveshaft/gearbox splines insurance ... lol
 
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