Crank gear counter-holding tool

Slunkie

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Hi All,

Another leaky T6 main oil seal here. Definitely something up with this part or how VW are fitting them... It was done under warranty at 40k miles at Vindis Van Centre Northampton, now needs doing again about 70k and two years on although it's probably been leaking for ages. But Vindis Van Centre won't offer any goodwill...

Theres hardly any point in paying them £900 to do another bodge so I may take this job on myself. The only thing I need is a tool to hold the gear/crank steady whilst removing and torquing up the securing bolt. Has anyone found a cheapish tool for this they can recommend? They don't seem to be as easy to find online as I'd expect given how common this job seems to be...

Thanks
 
Hi All,

Another leaky T6 main oil seal here. Definitely something up with this part or how VW are fitting them... It was done under warranty at 40k miles at Vindis Van Centre Northampton, now needs doing again about 70k and two years on although it's probably been leaking for ages. But Vindis Van Centre won't offer any goodwill...

Theres hardly any point in paying them £900 to do another bodge so I may take this job on myself. The only thing I need is a tool to hold the gear/crank steady whilst removing and torquing up the securing bolt. Has anyone found a cheapish tool for this they can recommend? They don't seem to be as easy to find online as I'd expect given how common this job seems to be...

Thanks
You need the timing belt tool kit and as far as I’m aware a conical guide to insert the new seal over the end of the crankshaft.
You haven’t mentioned when the timing belt / water pump was renewed last but as you need to remove it to access the seal it’s a good opportunity.
The same applies to the auxiliary belt and tensioner.
 
I believe the sump should be removed to fit it properly as the seal comes with the plastic carrier. You can fit it without removing the sump but you feed the seal onto the crank at an angle.

Search you tube for a t6 belt change and you get a vid from the vw garage run by the 2 balkan guys. To do the belt is a lot of work , they also do the crank seal in the vid.
 
I've watched a video on YouTube - vag technic? and it doesn't look too bad although he didn't remove the sump or use a conical guide. He just chucks the new part on at a slight angle (may damage the seal) with a bead of sealant laid along the top face of the sump. There is no detail given on the order of bolts reinstall or torque stages which may be important for proper alignment of the seal and even compression of the gasket against the block.

Can anyone get hold of the official workshop guide for the main oil seal replacement procedure by any chance? This may also give the part number for the crank gear holding tool.

Timing belt, drive belt, tensioner, water pump etc aren't due for another two years but would definitely renew the lot. They're coming off anyway and it's possible the belts have been contaminated.
 
It might be worth checking if the van is fitted with the latest revision lower timing belt cover.
This was revised as a failed auxiliary belt could then smash the lower cover and wrap up in the timing belt.
 
It might be worth checking if the van is fitted with the latest revision lower timing belt cover.
This was revised as a failed auxiliary belt could then smash the lower cover and wrap up in the timing belt.
Thanks for that I'll check this
 
I've watched a video on YouTube - vag technic? and it doesn't look too bad although he didn't remove the sump or use a conical guide. He just chucks the new part on at a slight angle (may damage the seal) with a bead of sealant laid along the top face of the sump. There is no detail given on the order of bolts reinstall or torque stages which may be important for proper alignment of the seal and even compression of the gasket against the block.

Can anyone get hold of the official workshop guide for the main oil seal replacement procedure by any chance? This may also give the part number for the crank gear holding tool.

Timing belt, drive belt, tensioner, water pump etc aren't due for another two years but would definitely renew the lot. They're coming off anyway and it's possible the belts have been contaminated.
Vag technic that's the one. See if I find the tool number . I got my workshop.manual from ebay for £5
 
Just to say Vindis Van Centre actually ended up doing this for free since they'd done it two years prior and it had gone again, so props to them for that.

They did however insist on putting the old belts back on which to me is more than a little absurd since the timing belt is half expired and the aux belt gave off the worst constant squeal, and probably both are oil contaminated. What sort of engineer puts back broken stuff!?! Especially when they would have had new belts the shelf. But again props to them for at least doing the oil seal.
 
I guess I should have made a point of it when I dropped the van off. I just figured I'd be telling them how to suck eggs and they'd either renew the oily old belts on the house or call me to confirm / invoice me for them when collecting.

But I was never given the choice... I asked when collecting the keys and when they said the old belts were put back my mind was just blown. By this point it was obviously too late and it was difficult to complain as they'd done it for free.

So just be aware all, don't assume like I did that these places will do the absolute obvious 'mechanics for dummies' level / basic common sense stuff.
 
don't assume like I did that these places will do the absolute obvious 'mechanics for dummies' level / basic common sense stuff.
It is common sense from their point of view, the van will be booked in for a belt replacement two years earlier than if they had changed the belts.
Not many workshops are going to give parts away and if you don’t specify that you want them replaced and they invoice you then it would be grounds for complaint.
Did your van already have the latest revision lower timing belt cover?
 
Yeh I get that except for the fact the belts are oil contaminated in part due to their previous failed work. So it's not just a case of the belts being part worn, they weren't fit to be refitted and yet they did exactly that without question.

I can't really take the van back there in the future now anyway as I don't feel like I can trust them, so their logic is flawed.
 
Unfortunately my experience is common sense is not that common where VW dealers are concerned.

I had both crank case oil seals replaced, this was found after my alternator failed dramatically, ( nearly caught fire).
I subsequently asked for a full health check on the van.
The van had been serviced at the same dealer from new and they had the van in far too regularly for all manner of warranty works, despite this both leaking seals had previously been missed.

i enquired what was involved in replacing both engine oils seals.
I was told that they would drop the sum, Jack the engine up To allow the gear box to be disconnect, which would also involve replacing the engine oil.
I asked (fortunately) if they were going to replace the oil filter as part of the works, uhh No was the answer!
I pointed out that it is good practice to replace oil filter when replacing engine oil, particularly as it is a very cheap & easy consumable part to replace Whilst doing the oil seals. The dealer reluctantly agreed.
I asked the dealer to specifically replace the oil filter & offered to pay the £10 for a new oil filter, when I picked the van up I was told they replaced the filter and had reset the service counter FOC.

During the discussion regarding the oil seal works, ( Bearing in mind that the alternator had just failed which could have an impact on the timing belt) i asked if the dealer would be replacing the timing belt, pointing out that they would have the van fully stripped down & the potential damage that the failed alternator may have done to the existing timing belt via excess heat and oil contamination, so replacing the timing belt would make sense ?

The dealer said they would look at this when the van was stripped down and change it if required,
I would have been happy to pay for a new timing belt (told them that before the warranty works were carried out), they chose not to replace the timing belt , you guessed it, they visually inspected the belt and deemed it OK to refit, so they fitted the original belt!

IMO Using a common sense approach, particularly one where the customer may actually benefit from the original failure does not earn VW dealers any revenue, it certainly does not extended to doing the right thing by the customer by potentially limiting the customers future risk & cost. Nor does it consider subsequently replacing the timing belt shortly after they had the van in bits (which would have been common sense / good practice / greener, for the timing belt to be replaced at that time).

IMO VW dealers deliberately refit the old belt because they think they can catch the customer for the full replacement cost at a later date.
incidentally the Dealer quoted : Jan 2023 £799 inc Vat, cam belt only additional £398 inc Vat for water pump replacement if done at the same time as the timing belt

Same work using OEM parts via an approved VW Indi, who will update the electronic service record: £400 cam belt Inc Vat / £160 inc Vat Water pump
the VW dealer declined to price match the identical quote

where do you think my future business will go ?
 
Thanks for your detailed response Perfectos. All sounds relatively similar to my experience. It's clearly businesses first and mechanics second at best...

I guess I will be seeking out an independent VAG specialist.
 
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