Clutch / Dual mass rattle

Update:

Unfortunately, I started up the van when I got home from work today to just confirm the clutch noise had gone.

I can still here a rotational noise. I think it’s quieter since the flywheel replacement but it mite just be because it’s not been that cold today so could still be the same( I will check the weekend) Can anyone let me know any information about this noise? Do other people’s T6’s do this?

You can hear me operate the clutch in & out.

Short Video clip after the repair:


 
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Update:

Unfortunately, I started up the van when I got home from work today to just confirm the clutch noise had gone.

I can still here a rotational noise. I think it’s quieter since the flywheel replacement but it mite just be because it’s not been that cold today so could still be the same( I will check the weekend) Can anyone let me know any information about this noise? Do other people’s T6’s do this?

You can hear me operate the clutch in & out.

Short Video clip after the repair:


That isn’t normal.
 
Manual, DSG or whatever that isn’t correct and they must of heard it after rebuild.
 
Manual, DSG or whatever that isn’t correct and they must of heard it after rebuild.

I’m just glad it’s not me going mad, I’m fussy with my cars / vans and Iv never heard a noise like this on a 1 year old vehicle, it will have to go back to VW but im picking my brains as to what it could be, maybe a release bearing
 
I think that may be normal, just the input shaft rotating when in neutral. I guess it got quieter when you held the clutch down ? You'll hear a difference on most cars like that. Especially when the box is cold. I concede, less so on modern vehicles than a Mk3 Escort, but still there. Not sure if yours is louder than the norm however.

My dodgy DMF was not very audible, until you put it next to a good one - the difference then was so obvious. Perhaps try this at the dealer.

There is surprisingly little sound deadening around the T6 engine. A chum has a 2.0 diesel T-Roc - same motor, but so much quieter when stood outside the front of the vehicle. Barely sounds like a diesel at all, as the thing is shrouded in sound deadening. It makes such a difference. I can now hear a T5/T6 coming along the road, as the engines sounds so much more like a sewing machine than a modern car diesel!

Clearly worth a trip to the dealer to confirm or otherwise. I'd be particularly interested in any side by side comparison to any other T6.
 
Update:

Unfortunately, I started up the van when I got home from work today to just confirm the clutch noise had gone.

I can still here a rotational noise. I think it’s quieter since the flywheel replacement but it mite just be because it’s not been that cold today so could still be the same( I will check the weekend) Can anyone let me know any information about this noise? Do other people’s T6’s do this?

You can hear me operate the clutch in & out.

Short Video clip after the repair:


It sounds identical to mine, one of the things I have been thinking is for if it is chatter through the transmission whilst engine warms. Feature of the 84ps & 102ps engines as a result of the lack of the balancing shafts? Do people have this same issue on 150ps engines?

If the dealer has changed the DMF and it’s still there it would be unusual for it to be the DMF again. I know there is poor workmanship but it’s not a complex job for a dealer technician.
 
I think that may be normal, just the input shaft rotating when in neutral. I guess it got quieter when you held the clutch down ? You'll hear a difference on most cars like that. Especially when the box is cold. I concede, less so on modern vehicles than a Mk3 Escort, but still there. Not sure if yours is louder than the norm however.

My dodgy DMF was not very audible, until you put it next to a good one - the difference then was so obvious. Perhaps try this at the dealer.

There is surprisingly little sound deadening around the T6 engine. A chum has a 2.0 diesel T-Roc - same motor, but so much quieter when stood outside the front of the vehicle. Barely sounds like a diesel at all, as the thing is shrouded in sound deadening. It makes such a difference. I can now hear a T5/T6 coming along the road, as the engines sounds so much more like a sewing machine than a modern car diesel!

Clearly worth a trip to the dealer to confirm or otherwise. I'd be particularly interested in any side by side comparison to any other T6.

Thanks for your help, that’s correct, as soon as put the clutch down the noise will go. I’m now tuned in to listening to the noise as it was so loud previously & it’s had a replacement flywheel to clear the fault but as the noise is still there, it’s quieter as far as I can tell but it’s still worry’s me it’s not 100% fixed . I can hear the noise over the van idling. It’s the first diesel vehicle Iv owned in a long time but VW are normally more refined I didn’t expect this kind of noise, it just doesn’t sound mechanically normal to me. I defiantly need to compare it. I’m hoping a few more people on the forum will let me know if there vehicles do it.
 
It sounds identical to mine, one of the things I have been thinking is for if it is chatter through the transmission whilst engine warms. Feature of the 84ps & 102ps engines as a result of the lack of the balancing shafts? Do people have this same issue on 150ps engines?

If the dealer has changed the DMF and it’s still there it would be unusual for it to be the DMF again. I know there is poor workmanship but it’s not a complex job for a dealer technician.

Thanks, Absolutely, I agree. If it is a feature of the vehicle then I will be happy but at this stage I’m unsure. Obviously VW will let me know shortly as Iv contacted them. Yes, it’s not overly complicated to replace the flywheel. I did wonder if it may the a release bearing or something? Did you say yours is booked in? Be interesting what they come back with. Cheers
 
Thanks, Absolutely, I agree. If it is a feature of the vehicle then I will be happy but at this stage I’m unsure. Obviously VW will let me know shortly as Iv contacted them. Yes, it’s not overly complicated to replace the flywheel. I did wonder if it may the a release bearing or something? Did you say yours is booked in? Be interesting what they come back with. Cheers
I am going to give them a call to book it in. I will keep you updated on what I find out.

I had a very well trusted local mechanic check it over yesterday. He said that it was highly likely to be chatter through the drive line at idle in neutral when at cold before the engine warms slightly. He said it would continue for longer than a few mins if it was the DMF. Once mine is past 2mins running at idle it’s gone and doesn’t come back until sat cold again.

Whilst the above makes sense the DMFs function is to reduce / smooth out such drive line and transmission vibration... as such I am still booking it in as that’s what the warranty is there for.

keep you informed.

cheers
 
I am going to give them a call to book it in. I will keep you updated on what I find out.

I had a very well trusted local mechanic check it over yesterday. He said that it was highly likely to be chatter through the drive line at idle in neutral when at cold before the engine warms slightly. He said it would continue for longer than a few mins if it was the DMF. Once mine is past 2mins running at idle it’s gone and doesn’t come back until sat cold again.

Whilst the above makes sense the DMFs function is to reduce / smooth out such drive line and transmission vibration... as such I am still booking it in as that’s what the warranty is there for.

keep you informed.

cheers

Brilliant. Thank you for your information it helps allot.

Your van has exactly the same issue / characteristics as my one, mine also goes away after 2/3 mins. I can’t remember if the noise was there on the warmer days of the year , Iv not owned the van long enough. It could be that it’s only noticeable at 5c or lower.

We do know however that a new flywheel does not clear the noise completely so that points towards it being a normal noise

I hope it is just a characteristic of the vehicle and I can stop worrying about it.

I mite hear from VW today so will pass on any info.
 
Here is the thread - Clanking Noise From Dsg Gearbox In Park And Neutral

Mine is a DSG but if it is the DMF it will be the same noise on your manual gearbox.
Thanks for posting this audio file. It's a very useful aid. My T6 manual abruptly developed the same intermittent clanking noise at idle last Thursday during a 15 mile trip. The clanking noise largely disappears when the clutch is pressed. Otherwise the clutch & gearbox behave OK for now, and the van drives OK. Took it into my usual local independent garage this morning and he also thinks is probably the DMF. (but there are a couple of other possibilities). Big Bill coming up, methinks
 
T6 DSG with 70k on the clock here and I seem to have the same issue. On idle in neutral, I hear a chattery sound come and go intermittently. Been under the van and it definitely sounds like it's coming from the clutch/flywheel. According to the history it also had these changed at low mileage (around 30k) under warranty due to a sound reported by the owner at the time.

Sound recording attached. It sounds a lot louder than it is as my phone is recoding right next to the flywheel.

Has there been any developments on why this issue tends to occur, is it conclusively the Dmf, clutch or possibly one of the bearings which has a tendancy to go?

Will it eventually go pop and cause other issues or am I ok to ignore it for now?

Are there any clutch/dmf/bearing part numbers/revisions/brands to avoid or specify to fix?

Thanks
 

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T6 DSG with 70k on the clock here and I seem to have the same issue. On idle in neutral, I hear a chattery sound come and go intermittently. Been under the van and it definitely sounds like it's coming from the clutch/flywheel. According to the history it also had these changed at low mileage (around 30k) under warranty due to a sound reported by the owner at the time.

Sound recording attached. It sounds a lot louder than it is as my phone is recoding right next to the flywheel.

Has there been any developments on why this issue tends to occur, is it conclusively the Dmf, clutch or possibly one of the bearings which has a tendancy to go?

Will it eventually go pop and cause other issues or am I ok to ignore it for now?

Are there any clutch/dmf/bearing part numbers/revisions/brands to avoid or specify to fix?

Thanks
Your post reminded me that I had not followed up to report on my fix. Yours sounds much like mine did, although perhaps my noise was harder-edged, more clonky. My noise seemed more obviously clunky when listening at the wheel arch, beside the rear of the left front wheel. I think its a good bet that it is also the Dual Mass Flywheel.

Re your other questions - my short and completely honest answer is "I don't know". A longer answer if it's any help - I can tell you what I saw when reviewing the knackered parts after mine was repaired, and what the garage guy said. For context, I've known the two garage guys, dad and lad, for over twenty years both socially and via business, and I have a good relationship with them. There was little to see or feel in the knackered parts compared to the new parts. The centre part of the flywheel compared to the outer part had a little more wobble, both rotationally (anti-clockwise and clockwise), and if you tried to push/pull each side of the centre part away from and towards the outer part. But if you tried hard you could detect a small difference. But nothing that would obviously account for the loud rattle that you could clearly hear before the repair.

Mark's view was that what I was looking at was typical of the many that he has done on other DMF s on many cars. Surprisingly little to see that was causing such a loud rattle. But he has done very few DMFs on transporters.
I had asked him the same question on will it eventually go pop or bang. Mark said his experience was that he had not seen any yet that had gone bang. He had several customers (farmers) with landrovers that had rattled badly for years and never gone bang. But most customers were like me and became either fed up with, or worried by the rattling racket, and asked him to replace them,
Finally, for transporters, he said there were only two manufacturers of DMF's available for transporters as replacements (for T6) . I forget what he said they were. (Several manufacturers overall). He hadn't noticed any single make failing (that he'd removed). He fitted DMFs from both manufacturers and so far he had not had any come back again.


Hope this helps.
 
Thanks farndalebarry, that's all useful info. I think I'm just going to keep an eye on it. It's not actually that bad/loud and only does it from time to time, if it gets any worse I'll take it for a new dmf as a precaution.
 
Mine does that but they flagged it last year and supposedly replaced it but I can still hear it clattering. Just annoying having to go in and get fobbed off until it’s out of warranty etc….If it was replaced then surely it shouldn’t clatter???
 
Just had mine in Vw to investigate this noise from the fly wheel. They replaced it last year and still rattled about but they said it’s normal due to the weights moving a bit. Sounds odd to me.
 
Sounds like a typical franchise dealer... They deffo don't want to do it again at their cost and apparently there is a current shortage on these parts so the last thing they'll want to do is use stock up on a zero earner.
 
Sounds like a typical franchise dealer... They deffo don't want to do it again at their cost and apparently there is a current shortage on these parts so the last thing they'll want to do is use stock up on a zero earner.
 
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