The Ford | T7 Conundrum

Until I find a similar vehicle that can offer me more than my current T6.1 I’m sitting tight. A bit like getting the latest phone that actually does very little more than the one you have but always costs more. That’s the way the market works. The VW Transit will always be a Ford built on the same production line with 95% Ford components. Hey ho - enjoying a cool beer on the patio - now we’re talking :cool:
 
E vehicle ownership would be a concern for many living in the country. Their are very few public hook ups and distance needed to travel to a town and back. Nothing is just around the block. It would be awkward for people in the country travelling any distance for their work commute, particularly those who live in terrace houses that front the roadside, those who may need to park away from their dwelling. At the moment it is not like filling up with petrol or diesel, say ten minutes or less all in, fuel and payment. So travelling some distance to pick someone up from a station or just meeting up could be a right pain. Everything would need planing in advance. Imagine comming home after a long commute or any travel. Say a son or daughter rings up from a station or one needs to travel some distance for any family emergency. A, might not be able to manage the journey at all or b get so far and stuck because its run out of E juice. The poorer people are, the worse that situation. That might be because they can not afford a car with any decent range or any new E vehicle for that matter. They might need to buy a cheaper used one with a clapped out battery, that is only just sufficient to go somewhere but not return. Another thing is that the electricity supply is not always reliable in the country. We where recently cut off from electricity for a week. It is not the first time either it can be a common occurance in the winter. Cut of some length happens every year and the phone went off too because it is fibre amazingly enough and it was down for almost a month. After a short time the mobile network went down also because no power at the transmitters and repeaters. Modern technology is unreliable in the country, it would need big investment and safe gaurds, back ups and so on. So E Vehicle ownership for most ordinary people in the countryside could be a nightmare. At least in a town one could hop on a bus or train not in many a country place.
I have a 25 plate ID3 GTX. The range on it is 350miles (325 miles in reality) if an emergency arises that takes a 7 hour drive, I’ll be flying there. it can charge from 10% to 80% in 28mins on super fast chargers. I live in the country and you’re right the infrastructure isn’t there yet ( but unless the country you’re referring to is Syria, the power supply is constant here) but it is beautiful to drive, very cheap to run, I got a free home charge point and £500 wecharge credit from VW, £500 will get around 6000 miles at charge points. Yes it was expensive @ £48k with all the extras, but it was a birthday surprise for my wife so it was well worth it.
Oh, and while I was finalising the order at VW and waiting for it to be built over in Germany, I ordered the new transporter PV pro T32 65kw. We’ll have to see about air ride when it’s delivered.
I’m all in on EV.
 
If it works for us staying at out gaff on South Uist, I think it'll work for you in relatively populous Wales.
No way until I have to and why should I . It has to work every day and their is such a scarcity of charge points 20 miles away were their is one. I have no intention on relying on mobile aps to chase a charge only to find it being used when I get their and then being 20 miles down. Electricity supply at my property is unreliable and because we are the only occupant at my postcode they are not in any hurry to reconnect supply when it is down. All the high tension line here are old and not suitable for fast charging so the e companies would need to invest a lot of cash to bring e spurs like mine up to calibre Repairs to lines have no priority it is numbers first that is how it works. Perhaps because aviation fuel is going to be so plentiful because air traffic is being increased I should reinstate my older more polluting vehicles and run them on that, it is only paraffin after all with a few additional additives. Like the aroma of paraffin reminds me of primus stoves. Maybe drive about in my tractors every farm has its own tanks. Then their are the winters e vehicle ranges are depleted and what about heating and lighting must take a toll on range. No point in pretending one is green if all older the gas guzzling vehicles in ones stable are not scrapped. I could buy an e vehicle and just let it rot unused to satisfy some statistic or other I suppose. No Hurry to go down that route and what does one do with the diesel vehicles that one finishes with cost over 60 grand to buy so it is still worth something the government are not giving cash away to scrap it. Little point in selling it to an other user they will still be driving it most probably in some conurbation town or city to which I rarely go. Majority of my driving is in the country. Sorry your sales patter has to improve to have me by one of those. You bonus will need to be looked at.:rofl:
 
Im not saying you should. Its entirely your call.

I am saying your excuses don't hold water, because we manage just fine in far more remote circumstances where a proper charging point involves a ferry ride. Your part of Wales is like central London in comparison.

If you simply don't like them for some reason then just say so, but don't trot out nonsense to justify it. I don't like eating my greens but don't roll out daft excuses for not eating them.

I'd be very keen to see what the electric (and hybrid, come to that) Transporters turn out to be like. I did contemplate last year hanging on and seeing before buying but I could have got to this year and decided to wait another year...there comes a point where if you're ever going to do it you actually have to stop and damn well do it, so I dropped my wallet and ended up the 6.1 way.
 
No way until I have to and why should I . It has to work every day and their is such a scarcity of charge points 20 miles away were their is one. I have no intention on relying on mobile aps to chase a charge only to find it being used when I get their and then being 20 miles down. Electricity supply at my property is unreliable and because we are the only occupant at my postcode they are not in any hurry to reconnect supply when it is down. All the high tension line here are old and not suitable for fast charging so the e companies would need to invest a lot of cash to bring e spurs like mine up to calibre Repairs to lines have no priority it is numbers first that is how it works. Perhaps because aviation fuel is going to be so plentiful because air traffic is being increased I should reinstate my older more polluting vehicles and run them on that, it is only paraffin after all with a few additional additives. Like the aroma of paraffin reminds me of primus stoves. Maybe drive about in my tractors every farm has its own tanks. Then their are the winters e vehicle ranges are depleted and what about heating and lighting must take a toll on range. No point in pretending one is green if all older the gas guzzling vehicles in ones stable are not scrapped. I could buy an e vehicle and just let it rot unused to satisfy some statistic or other I suppose. No Hurry to go down that route and what does one do with the diesel vehicles that one finishes with cost over 60 grand to buy so it is still worth something the government are not giving cash away to scrap it. Little point in selling it to an other user they will still be driving it most probably in some conurbation town or city to which I rarely go. Majority of my driving is in the country. Sorry your sales patter has to improve to have me by one of those. You bonus will need to be looked at.:rofl:
I’m in no rush to buy an EV either - like you, I don’t want to see my valid ICE vehicles scrapped or sold at a daft price just to ‘move on’ to the next tech (as the mobile phone analogy someone used above). Maybe when the ICE car breaks down and gets too expensive to repair I’ll consider one, but at this moment the outlay seems high even though running costs are reduced, and I don’t do finance.

However that doesn’t stop me thinking they have merits over ICE. Cleaner and more reliable. Cheaper to run etc. And I don’t see the issue of charging as a barrier. For me, EV chargers are nearer that fuel stations. I’d pass at least 40 public chargers before I get to my nearest petrol station. No joke - charging bollards on the first three roads I’d use (including mine) then two big ‘rapid’ charge stations. But our city is well served. I appreciate that.

Having said that, if anyone watches Mr Hewes on YouTube you’ve probably seen his dads set up at some point. For context, Mr Hewes and his dad love their big old ICE vehicles- the sort you use GPM rather than MPG. The sort that don’t have any thought of emissions controls. Very impressive to see what they do to restore these vehicles too.
However the old man has a Tesla and charges it, for free, using just a few solar panels. Again, not for everyone but it highlights there aren’t always barriers in place. I dare say when not used to charge the car the panels can be used to sell electricity back to the grid? Maybe even bought them with a grant.
 
Im not saying you should. Its entirely your call.

I am saying your excuses don't hold water, because we manage just fine in far more remote circumstances where a proper charging point involves a ferry ride. Your part of Wales is like central London in comparison.

If you simply don't like them for some reason then just say so, but don't trot out nonsense to justify it. I don't like eating my greens but don't roll out daft excuses for not eating them.

I'd be very keen to see what the electric (and hybrid, come to that) Transporters turn out to be like. I did contemplate last year hanging on and seeing before buying but I could have got to this year and decided to wait another year...there comes a point where if you're ever going to do it you actually have to stop and damn well do it, so I dropped my wallet and ended up the 6.1 way.
I agree. I don’t understand why people don’t like even the thought of EV’s. It’s not even the case where we’re going to be forced into an electric vehicle any time soon, so don’t worry. I drive an EV and have another being delivered soon, and I think £100 k for 2 top spec VW vehicles is pretty reasonable.
 
What really killed the 90's electric cars?

When manufacturers realized that in order to market and promote sales of electric cars....

... they had to make those ,diesel /petrol -powered
Engines the enemy ….
 
Happy for you no good here. Maybe sometime in the future, when i have passed away.
Maybe, Just don’t spend the rest of your life worrying about the evils of EV, and make sure you shuffle off before 2035 (or 2030 if you can’t stand the thought of a hybrid either)
 
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