DSG Failure T6 21,000 Miles - Help!!!!!

Pezz

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So here is my predicament - my beloved van is 4 years old, 21,000 miles T32 TSI - was bought brand new and then converted straight away. Was due for its second service/inspection. When booking in with VW Van Centre Liverpool got offered a service plan this service plus the next, 2 years MOT, 2 years roadside assistance and 2 years extended warranty [this apparently doesn't kick in for 30 days post buying it]. For the price seemed like a good idea so took them up on it. Van booked in for the service couple of weeks later. There had been a rather odd thing going on with the gearbox - wasn't clutch slip but a kind of sluggishness at times mid-gear where it almost felt like how on cruise control when you are going up a hill it sort of pushes the revs to maintain the speed then stops then goes again. Was weird. Told a few mates one of which who is a mechanic and he suggested getting the box serviced. I thought sounded like a sensible plan so added that on to the service get it done when in the garage. When they were doing this they drained the old oil out and found the cooler had leaked and coolant was all inside the box rendering it dead. £7k plus VAT for a new one. The dealer [who has been actually quite good with everything] has offered goodwill and reduced this to £5k plus VAT incl new flywheel. I've emailed VW Commercial Customer Services to see if the manufacturer can throw some goodwill in too. As yet I'm getting nowhere with them - every email is met with a 'we'll come back to you in 72 hours' which manifests itself into more like 96. I've spoken to a couple of gearbox experts to see if the box can be reconditioned and whilst it can the fluid may have screwed the mechatronic unit and that's £3.5k plus VAT plus labour to take it all to bits which is putting me in the might as well take the dealer deal which would be simpler and quicker. One of the gearbox experts was telling me he thought the cooler could be a design flawed component. He had one [one of his mates vans] with the same issue that they took off dried out and got it back to working and also had another one off an Audi S3 currently on his bench both same cooler leak fault.

Wondering really is anyone has any experience of this and if there is any specific things that can be said to VW that could convince them to help - it's mad that the box has failed at only 50% of the way to its first service and with only 21k on the clock and annoying that I could have held my service off for 2 weeks and then my new warranty would be fully in place. Also, don't VW get how we guys are with our vans and how we talk communicate as part of these communities - if they sort it out I'd be singing their praises to anyone who cares to listen if they don't I'll be moaning about them for eternity...

ANy help would be most appreciated
 
Sorry to hear of your troubles.. typical response tbh.
If it was mine I’d get it flushed out and new clutch packs fitted as you may have burnt them from your description. VW dealers don’t fix gearboxes, they just want to replace and charge for the labour. I would find a good gearbox specialist, there are some on YouTube.
I have heard of the seal going on the cooler before but only about 2 or 3 cases.
Maybe Darkside Developments might do it, they seem to do some interesting repairs.
 
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Jeez, what a mess.

I'd expect warranty to cover this. But as you say the All-In cover has a 30day no claim lead in time.... But only if there has been a break in warranty cover.

So the van had 3years warranty from new.... Did the warranty lapse before you started the new All-in cover?
......

There's no lead in time.if you had continueous cover
......

If all warranty is out the window, or the good will is still to much have a look around for a second hand box from a dismantlers. It may be cheaper? (But note for VW to uphold the warranty you need to use a VAT reg garage, and follow the manufacturer guide lines)
 
Surely if a catastrophic fault occurs at 27k in an item that is designed and expected to last for many more miles (1st service interval is 40k so that implies it is designed to last way beyond 40k) that item isn’t fit for purpose under the consumer rights act.
As far as I’m aware there is no time limit on that part of the act. Whether it’s fit for purpose relates to the use to which it is put and it’s expected durability amongst other things.
It might be a good idea to seek legal advice and get a letter sent to VW explaining that as it’s not fit for purpose it is for them to repair at their expense.
 
Jeez, what a mess.

I'd expect warranty to cover this. But as you say the All-In cover has a 30day no claim lead in time.... But only if there has been a break in warranty cover.

So the van had 3years warranty from new.... Did the warranty lapse before you started the new All-in cover?
......

There's no lead in time.if you had continueous cover
......

If all warranty is out the window, or the good will is still to much have a look around for a second hand box from a dismantlers. It may be cheaper? (But note for VW to uphold the warranty you need to use a VAT reg garage, and follow the manufacturer guide lines)
There unfortunately was a year break - that was partly caused by me not being on the ball - knock on from the two years of covid and also the 2 year intervals on servicing which meant no contact with VW for 2 years. If the van was serviced every year they would have upsold the extended warranty last year at the point the service was due and all would be good
 
Surely if a catastrophic fault occurs at 27k in an item that is designed and expected to last for many more miles (1st service interval is 40k so that implies it is designed to last way beyond 40k) that item isn’t fit for purpose under the consumer rights act.
As far as I’m aware there is no time limit on that part of the act. Whether it’s fit for purpose relates to the use to which it is put and it’s expected durability amongst other things.
It might be a good idea to seek legal advice and get a letter sent to VW explaining that as it’s not fit for purpose it is for them to repair at their expense.
I'm going to add this to my next email to VW tonight - it was this kind of wording I hoping to get from you guys. Let's see where we get to with that - I'll threaten legals at this stage too. If that doesn't move it along positively I'll get a solicitor to actually write to them - it can't hurt.

Thanks

Pezz
 
I'm going to add this to my next email to VW tonight - it was this kind of wording I hoping to get from you guys. Let's see where we get to with that - I'll threaten legals at this stage too. If that doesn't move it along positively I'll get a solicitor to actually write to them - it can't hurt.

Thanks

Pezz
2 things to consider and to reinforce your points.

1. have you had it dealer serviced since new. That’s strong indicator you have been straight with VW and used their service..
2. Does your van insurance cover have a legal cover. If so you may find that you could be covered under that.
 
2 things to consider and to reinforce your points.

1. have you had it dealer serviced since new. That’s strong indicator you have been straight with VW and used their service..
2. Does your van insurance cover have a legal cover. If so you may find that you could be covered under that.
1 - yes
2 - I'll check that
 
1 - yes
2 - I'll check that
Make sure that you strongly emphasise 1. You followed their recommendations, serviced it via their franchises in accordance with their recommended standards & procedures and then lay it on along the lines of what @Bigsidavies said.
 
As backup mention that you are free on Saturday mornings to stand on the pavement outside the establishment and advertise how good their customer services are.
 
Surely if a catastrophic fault occurs at 27k in an item that is designed and expected to last for many more miles (1st service interval is 40k so that implies it is designed to last way beyond 40k) that item isn’t fit for purpose under the consumer rights act.
As far as I’m aware there is no time limit on that part of the act. Whether it’s fit for purpose relates to the use to which it is put and it’s expected durability amongst other things.
It might be a good idea to seek legal advice and get a letter sent to VW explaining that as it’s not fit for purpose it is for them to repair at their expense.
I echo this. Pay for half an hour with a specialist consumer rights lawyer, it could end up being money well spent.
 
How did this end?
It ended with me buying a new gearbox. VW were awful - didn't want to know about anything. My local VW commercial franchise were unbelievably helpful - even though I didn't buy the van from them from new it was from a franchise near my converter. They waived any markup and fitted it for free. The argument from VW was it was a failed seal which are not covered by warranty and literally wouldn't budge. I spoke to 2 solicitors who both said with VW stance I wasn't going to get anywhere. I put it down to experience and moved on. I was so f***ing p***ed off with VW I was all set to sell the van when it was fixed but literally drove it out of from the garage went round two corners with the gears changing as smooth silk and as they should and I fell back in love with the van again. I've had loads of vehicles in my life and this is the first and hopefully only time something as catastrophic and expensive happens. Luckily for me my son has gone into the mechanics trade, finished college and has nearly a year under his belt working so all future maintenance costs are going to be drastically reduced.
 
Its a real kick when this happens and thankfully uncommon but i had a similar (not so catastophic) DSG failure and managed to get VW to pay for it out of warranty as i had raised it several times during warranty
I think you have the right attitude though, you have to fight for it but sometimes you just gotta suck it up and move on, not ideal but life goes on
 
Im now sat here trying to remember all the times the dealer has pissed me off and i said i would bever go back ..... but ...... well you know
 
Same issue on my TSI from new, it whined and coolant disappeared, dealer didn't want to know as they did an analysis of the oil and said the moisture levels were in the acceptable tolerance. Battled for over 2 years to get it sorted but in the end it sat with them for almost 7 months as I refused to have it back after the warranty was up.
I eventually got a new gearbox but the dealer refused to give me any paperwork for it and refuse to do any more work for me, even an MOT.

I won't give VW another penny now, it will be my last after 34 years and I will be going to Toyota instead for cars now.

Mat
 
Same issue on my TSI from new, it whined and coolant disappeared, dealer didn't want to know as they did an analysis of the oil and said the moisture levels were in the acceptable tolerance. Battled for over 2 years to get it sorted but in the end it sat with them for almost 7 months as I refused to have it back after the warranty was up.
I eventually got a new gearbox but the dealer refused to give me any paperwork for it and refuse to do any more work for me, even an MOT.

I won't give VW another penny now, it will be my last after 34 years and I will be going to Toyota instead for cars now.

Mat
Toyota can be as bad. Don’t get me wrong, I still think Toyotas make good vehicles, but…
We had a 2008 Toyota Verso 2.2d from new. It was absolutely brilliant (though dull) and did everything we needed, all the time, without fuss. Then the head gasket went at over 100k. We were a bit disappointed but it had done us well. Then we discovered that this was a known fault, and Toyota had extended the warranty for such to 7 years - and we were just past the 7 year point! So we had it repaired through the dealer. Not long after the repair, my Mrs was left stranded on the M6 when it over-heated. It turned out that during the course of the repair, the expansion tank had become damaged, and instead of replacing it the relevant mechanic bodged it with some fibre-glass filler, which had then failed. I have no idea how any of that came to be, but I was livid and the evidence was so incontrovertible that the dealer then bent over backwards to help us for years to come - meaning we still support Toyota.
My TSI has only had a leaking water pump so far (52k miles) and the DSG is running fine (with a service at 25k - so the next one is due now).
 
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