2016 T6 102, Stolen / Recovered. Charging Fault [Resolved]

[notchback]

Is that all faults clear now ?

All of them apart from the TPMS fault. The switch inside the glove box appears to be jammed down so I cannot reset it. Might have to order a new switch.

I think its crazy that the 225A alternator fuse could throw up so many other faults, including the Glow plugs etc!?

 

[ei-aprilia]

All of them apart from the TPMS fault. The switch inside the glove box appears to be jammed down so I cannot reset it. Might have to order a new switch.

I think its crazy that the 225A alternator fuse could throw up so many other faults, including the Glow plugs etc!?

There's a switch in the glove box?? Never seen this before, I reset tpms via the MFD.

 

[notchback]

There's a switch in the glove box?? Never seen this before, I reset tpms via the MFD.

It's a startline Kombi van with A/C as an optional extra I believe? Definitely a button in the glovebox all be it a broken one!

 

[Broadside]

Great news that you have cleared most of those faults with that one fuse

I don’t want to put a downer on it and I can understand that fuse SA8 could be vacant on some vans but what I don’t get is why that 50A fuse is sitting there at all and the fact it is unsecured at one end. It seems weird unless the van has been prepared for something else to go in there.

Unconnected to your issues but you would be surprised what people will nick a car or van for. A friend of mine had the front end of his Ford SMax removed and left on his own drive overnight while he was sleeping 20metres away purely so they could remove the front parking sensors including the loom.

 

[notchback]

Great news that you have cleared most of those faults with that one fuse

I don’t want to put a downer on it and I can understand that fuse SA8 could be vacant on some vans but what I don’t get is why that 50A fuse is sitting there at all and the fact it is unsecured at one end. It seems weird unless the van has been prepared for something else to go in there.

Unconnected to your issues but you would be surprised what people will nick a car or van for. A friend of mine had the front end of his Ford SMax removed and left on his own drive overnight while he was sleeping 20metres away purely so they could remove the front parking sensors including the loom.

I agree it's odd the fuse is in there. I spoke to my local TPS and they look at specific parts schematics for that vans VIN number and they say there is no cable / wiring listed for fuse SA8.

Since everything seems to now be working as it should, I can only assume it is now correct.

 

[mmi]

I agree it's odd the fuse is in there. I spoke to my local TPS and they look at specific parts schematics for that vans VIN number and they say there is no cable / wiring listed for fuse SA8.

Since everything seems to now be working as it should, I can only assume it is now correct.

If the van does not have factory trailer towbar electrics (as per scan), nor second battery, nor a front seat electric lumbar support - seems that SA8 has no function.

 

[notchback]

UPDATE!
The van has been driving perfectly, with no error messages etc until today. Now the engine management light came on again and the scan reveals the Glow plugs on all cylinders have intermittent electrical fault? I have copied the codes and full scan below. (ignore the ABS fault, the new TPMS reset switch is on order)

Anyone have any ideas what could be causing this?

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Address 01: Engine Labels: 04L-907-309-V2.clb

Control Module Part Number: 04L 906 056 KA HW: 04L 907 445

Component and/or Version: R4 2.0l TDI H02 4047

Software Coding: 00114014430401090000

Work Shop Code: WSC 00000 790 50316

ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI03004L906056KA 004003 (VN75)

ROD: EV_ECM20TDI03004L906056JS_004.rod

VCID: 76B5E5B0084D30BB78F-8022

4 Faults Found:



15916 - Cylinder 1 Glow Plug Circuit (Q10)

P0671 00 [236] - Electrical Fault

MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00000001

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 1

Mileage: 35315 km

Date: 2031.01.29

Time: 16:56:32



Engine speed: 927.75 /min

Normed load value: 35.3 %

Vehicle speed: 0 km/h

Coolant temperature: 18 °C

Intake air temperature: 18 °C

Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar

Voltage terminal 30: 11.742 V

Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

Preheat time: 2.5 s

Glow status: Post-heat

Extern.temp.sens.1 bank 1: raw value: 19.5 °C



15918 - Cylinder 2 Glow Plug Circuit (Q11)

P0672 00 [236] - Electrical Fault

MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00000001

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 1

Mileage: 35315 km

Date: 2031.01.29

Time: 16:56:32



Engine speed: 927.75 /min

Normed load value: 35.3 %

Vehicle speed: 0 km/h

Coolant temperature: 18 °C

Intake air temperature: 18 °C

Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar

Voltage terminal 30: 11.742 V

Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

Preheat time: 2.5 s

Glow status: Post-heat

Extern.temp.sens.1 bank 1: raw value: 19.5 °C



15920 - Cylinder 3 Glow Plug Circuit (Q12)

P0673 00 [236] - Electrical Fault

MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00000001

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 1

Mileage: 35315 km

Date: 2031.01.29

Time: 16:56:32



Engine speed: 927.75 /min

Normed load value: 35.3 %

Vehicle speed: 0 km/h

Coolant temperature: 18 °C

Intake air temperature: 18 °C

Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar

Voltage terminal 30: 11.742 V

Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

Preheat time: 2.5 s

Glow status: Post-heat

Extern.temp.sens.1 bank 1: raw value: 19.5 °C



15922 - Cylinder 4 Glow Plug Circuit (Q13)

P0674 00 [236] - Electrical Fault

MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00000001

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 1

Mileage: 35315 km

Date: 2031.01.29

Time: 16:56:32



Engine speed: 927.75 /min

Normed load value: 35.3 %

Vehicle speed: 0 km/h

Coolant temperature: 18 °C

Intake air temperature: 18 °C

Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar

Voltage terminal 30: 11.742 V

Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

Air mass at air mass meter 1: 43.2 kg/h

Standardised airflow ratio: 1.209 counts

Exhaust recirc.valve 1 bank 1: posit.feedback - Act.value: 29.00 %

Throttl.valve adapt. 1 bank 1: posit feedback - Act.value: 0.13 %

Charge air pressure specified value: 1.122 bar

Absolute intake pressure: 99 kPa abs

Mean injection quantity: 9 mg/stroke

Index of current engine mode: 0

Index of next requested engine mode: 0

Index of engine target mode: 0





Readiness: N/A



FULL SCAN:



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Data version: 20200730 DS317.0

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VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZHH029878 License Plate:





Chassis Type: 7H-VN75 (7E0)

Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 17 19 25 5F 61 0B



VIN: WV1ZZZ7HZHH029878 Mileage: 35320km-21946miles



01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010

03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010

04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000

08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000

09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000

15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000

17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000

19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000

25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000

5F-Information Electr. -- Status: OK 0000

61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine (2D2D2-CXGB) Labels:. 04L-907-309-V2.clb

Part No SW: 04L 906 056 KA HW: 04L 907 445

Component: R4 2.0l TDI H02 4047

Revision: 23002001

Coding: 00114014430401090000

Shop #: WSC 00000 790 50316

ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI03004L906056KA 004003

ROD: EV_ECM20TDI03004L906056JS_004.rod

VCID: 76B5E5B0084D30BB78F-8022



4 Faults Found:

15916 - Cylinder 1 Glow Plug Circuit (Q10)

P0671 00 [236] - Electrical Fault

MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00000001

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 1

Mileage: 35315 km

Date: 2031.01.29

Time: 16:56:32



Engine speed: 927.75 /min

Normed load value: 35.3 %

Vehicle speed: 0 km/h

Coolant temperature: 18 °C

Intake air temperature: 18 °C

Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar

Voltage terminal 30: 11.742 V

Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

Preheat time: 2.5 s

Glow status: Post-heat

Extern.temp.sens.1 bank 1: raw value: 19.5 °C



15918 - Cylinder 2 Glow Plug Circuit (Q11)

P0672 00 [236] - Electrical Fault

MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00000001

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 1

Mileage: 35315 km

Date: 2031.01.29

Time: 16:56:32



Engine speed: 927.75 /min

Normed load value: 35.3 %

Vehicle speed: 0 km/h

Coolant temperature: 18 °C

Intake air temperature: 18 °C

Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar

Voltage terminal 30: 11.742 V

Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

Preheat time: 2.5 s

Glow status: Post-heat

Extern.temp.sens.1 bank 1: raw value: 19.5 °C



15920 - Cylinder 3 Glow Plug Circuit (Q12)

P0673 00 [236] - Electrical Fault

MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00000001

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 1

Mileage: 35315 km

Date: 2031.01.29

Time: 16:56:32



Engine speed: 927.75 /min

Normed load value: 35.3 %

Vehicle speed: 0 km/h

Coolant temperature: 18 °C

Intake air temperature: 18 °C

Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar

Voltage terminal 30: 11.742 V

Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

Preheat time: 2.5 s

Glow status: Post-heat

Extern.temp.sens.1 bank 1: raw value: 19.5 °C



15922 - Cylinder 4 Glow Plug Circuit (Q13)

P0674 00 [236] - Electrical Fault

MIL ON - Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00000001

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 1

Mileage: 35315 km

Date: 2031.01.29

Time: 16:56:32



Engine speed: 927.75 /min

Normed load value: 35.3 %

Vehicle speed: 0 km/h

Coolant temperature: 18 °C

Intake air temperature: 18 °C

Ambient air pressure: 1000 mbar

Voltage terminal 30: 11.742 V

Unlearning counter according OBD: 40

Air mass at air mass meter 1: 43.2 kg/h

Standardised airflow ratio: 1.209 counts

Exhaust recirc.valve 1 bank 1: posit.feedback - Act.value: 29.00 %

Throttl.valve adapt. 1 bank 1: posit feedback - Act.value: 0.13 %

Charge air pressure specified value: 1.122 bar

Absolute intake pressure: 99 kPa abs

Mean injection quantity: 9 mg/stroke

Index of current engine mode: 0

Index of next requested engine mode: 0

Index of engine target mode: 0



Readiness: N/A



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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 7E0-907-37x-MK100ESC.clb

Part No SW: 7E0 907 379 P HW: 7E0 907 379 M

Component: ESC H06 0133

Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 42126000000287

Coding: 307E4098256484870C7D027DA48A21F3790000

Shop #: WSC 02739 790 50316

ASAM Dataset: EV_Brake1ESCCONTIVN75XGP2 011001

ROD: EV_Brake1ESCCONTIVN75XGP2_011.rod

VCID: 3FDB409467F7B1F36B9-806A



1 Fault Found:

0397 - TPMS Warning

C102D F0 [137] - Pressure Loss

MIL ON - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00000001

Fault Priority: 3

Fault Frequency: 1

Reset counter: 49

Mileage: 35315 km

Date: 2020.08.29

Time: 13:54:59





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Address 04: Steering Angle (G085) Labels:* 6R0-959-654.clb

Part No SW: 6R0 959 654 HW: 6R0 959 654

Component: LENKW.SENSOR H07 0070

Serial number: 02071613470298

Coding: 01

Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000

ASAM Dataset: EV_LWSKLOVW25X 005001

ROD: EV_LWSKLOVW25X.rod

VCID: 7EA5FD90207D78FB20F-802A



No fault code found.



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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301) Labels:| 7E5-907-047.clb

Part No SW: 7E0 907 047 AK HW: 7E0 907 047 AK

Component: Climatic-T5 H22 0708

Revision: 00001002

Coding: 0000000003

Shop #: WSC 02737 790 50316

ASAM Dataset: EV_ClimaticT5 A01003

ROD: EV_ClimaT5Basis.rod

VCID: 73B3DCA41B3F25935F1-8026



No fault code found.



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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 7E0-937-BCM-V1.clb

Part No SW: 7E0 937 090 B HW: 7E0 937 090

Component: BCM PQ25 Max4 H81 0744

Revision: B9081001 Serial number: 0982 200160355

Coding: E0A4303A0A212031002009742C2B8C540F00708F60464D60320400220800

Shop #: WSC 02737 534 188775

VCID: 2A0D01C08CF5245B2C7-807E



Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 801 P HW: 7E0 959 801 P

Component: J386__TSG_FT 003 0653

Serial number: KU0KU019071662016989

Coding: 1400B0



Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 7E0 959 802 P HW: 7E0 959 802 P

Component: J387__TSG_BT 003 0653

Serial number: KU0KU020071662028142

Coding: 0400A0



No fault code found.



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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb

Part No SW: 7E0 959 655 G HW: 7E0 959 655 G

Component: VW10Airbag021 H08 0018

Revision: -------- Serial number: 003V3001GEM4

Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000003231

Shop #: WSC 02734 790 50316

ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW12X 001028

ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVN750.rod

VCID: 3A2D31807CD594DB5C7-806E



No fault code found.



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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1

Part No SW: 7E0 920 960 S HW: 7E0 920 960 S

Component: KOMBI H03 1104

Serial number: 00000000000000

Coding: 450B010300

Shop #: WSC 02737 790 50316

ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A05733

ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_005_VW31.rod

VCID: 392F2E8C79D39FC355D-806C



No fault code found.



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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:. 7E0-909-901.clb

Part No SW: 7E0 909 901 HW: 7E0 937 090

Component: GW-K-CAN TP20 H81 0744

Revision: B9081001

Coding: 042305

Shop #: WSC 02737 534 188775

VCID: 6889BBC85279D64BFA3-803C



No fault code found.



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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb

Part No SW: 5K0 953 234 HW: 5K0 953 234

Component: IMMO H03 1104

Serial number:

Coding: 000000

Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000

ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03710

ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW31.rod

VCID: 6A8DC1C04CF5E45BEC7-803E



No fault code found.



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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794) Labels:| 5G0-035-MIB-ENT2.clb

Part No SW: 1K8 035 150 L HW: 1K8 035 150 L

Component: MU-E-D-ER 055 7067

Serial number: 07061600011928

Coding: 065700003C00000041111101008000001F0000C60000010001

Shop #: WSC 02737 790 50316

ASAM Dataset: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE 001032

ROD: EV_MUEnt4CGen2LGE_VW32.rod

VCID: 2E050DD0B09D487BF0F-807A



No fault code found.



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Address 61: Battery Regul. (J840) Labels:. 1K0-907-534.clb

Part No SW: 7E0 907 534 HW: 7E0 937 090

Component: Batt.regelung H81 0744

Serial number: 0982 200160355

Coding: 030B1A73

Shop #: WSC 02739 790 00000

VCID: 6889BBC85279D64BFA3-803C



Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7E0 915 181 K HW: 7E0 915 181 K

Component: J367-BDMConti H03 1050

Serial number: 75410903001607160349



No fault code found.



End----(Elapsed Time: 01:04, VBatt start/end: 12.1V/12.1V. VIgn 11.9V)-----

 

[Dellmassive]

Did you have a look at the glow plug relay / module previously?

You can test for main power feed....

 

[notchback]

Yes, I removed the relay to check the connections were good and not corroded etc. It all looked to be good.

 

[notchback]

Did you have a look at the glow plug relay / module previously?

You can test for main power feed....

Is there a method available for testing the main power feed?

 

[Loz]

Is there a method available for testing the main power feed?

Use a meter? Turn on ignition?

 

[notchback]

re glow plugs . . .

the scematic shows the 4x glow plugs connected to the controller - J179



View attachment 82581

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which may look like this . .

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its main power feed is (according to this wire diagrem,). . .

is SA6 - 100A



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The J179 glow plug controller has.

4x outputs to glow plugs,
glow plugs are grounded via block,
one main power feed via SA6 100A fuse,
2x data line to ECM(engine control module)
main ground via ECM


it also looks like it has a secondary power feed via SB33 (5A)

View attachment 82588

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SO CHECK THE SB33 FUSE TOO . . . .

I'm still having issues with the glow plugs, engine management light is on.

I have just removed the battery again to access the control unit and confirm 100% that SA6 fuse is good, which it is. I have also checked SB33 5A fuse as you suggested which is also good.

It is very difficult to chase the wires to check for good connections as they just disappear in to the depths!

I did discover a loom that seems to go nowhere, it doesn't appear to have been cut as it looks insulated from factory. It's underneath the small fuse box B?

Any other suggestions before I box it back together? I have it in pieces at the moment.

Thanks.

 

[notchback]

I'm still having issues with the glow plugs, engine management light is on.

I have just removed the battery again to access the control unit and confirm 100% that SA6 fuse is good, which it is. I have also checked SB33 5A fuse as you suggested which is also good.

It is very difficult to chase the wires to check for good connections as they just disappear in to the depths!

I did discover a loom that seems to go nowhere, it doesn't appear to have been cut as it looks insulated from factory. It's underneath the small fuse box B?

Any other suggestions before I box it back together? I have it in pieces at the moment.

Thanks.

View attachment 84792

This is the glow plug control unit, how likely could it be that this has failed?

 

[notchback]

Use a meter? Turn on ignition?

You can't because the battery is removed to access the control module. I have confirmed there is continuity between the heavy red cable at the module to fuse SA6 though.

 

[notchback]

Hi All,

Another update - and maybe someone can shed some light on this?

I couldn't resolve the glow plug fault myself after trying everything I could do, so I booked the van in to VW. It took forever to get an appointment due to covid set backs, but the van is currently there at time of posting this.

After 2 hours of diagnosis today, I got a phone call from the service team saying that the water pump needs replacing and the EGR module needs to be flashed? (guessing re programmed?)

The service department couldn't elaborate any further though, and couldn't tell me how these things were linked to the Glow Plugs on all cylinders showing up as faulty. (as in the ross-tech scan posted above) They have quoted me £549, but again she couldn't tell me if this was going to resolve all the faults?

I'm a little surprised the water pump needs replacing since the van has only covered 20k miles?

Can anyone throw any light on this for me!? I've not given the go-ahead for the work yet since I cannot understand how these things are linked.

Thanks.

 

[Dellmassive]

Er..... eh?

Not sure 9n that.........

Maybe they have spotted a leak when looking at a glow plug issue?

 

[Pauly]

Sounds a bit weird, think I would be tempted to go to an Indy and let an actual mechanic look at it

 

[notchback]

Er..... eh?

Not sure 9n that.........

Maybe they have spotted a leak when looking at a glow plug issue?

It makes no sense to me, I'm going to call them first thing in the morning and ask to speak to the technician. I can't see how those things are linked to the fault I have?

 

[notchback]

Sounds a bit weird, think I would be tempted to go to an Indy and let an actual mechanic look at it

I spoke to a VW independent specialist at length, told him what I had tried, and he said that's all he would be able to do. He recommended going to VW since they are the experts?!

 

[Roadrage123]

The water pump has a multiplug attached, on these it is electric as well mechanical sometimes fault codes appear when fault detected more advanced now