Wheels Siezed On

[Johnod17]

I have had two T5.1 and now have T6,all have alloys.
I find it hard that all have had servicing done by VW main dealer,all after the first service I have taken the wheels off and found they have oxidised and are stuck on.
They all have been a nightmare to get off,why do VW not remove the wheels ,clean and put copper slip on before fitting.

Has anyone else had this problem?

John

 

[Tourershine]

I took mine for a service a couple of weeks ago and asked them not to remove my wheels if possible (personal reason)
The lady on the desk said not to worry, wheels wouldn't be removed as part of a service, because they can see and inspect everything they need, from underneath whist on the ramp.

I agree they really should be removed and greased, because there are plenty of people that would be in trouble if they got a flat tyre and needed to change the wheel at the side of the road.

Lastly, I was told by the chief mobile engineer for Pagid, that copper slip is not recommend for wheels or brakes, because the copper creates a charge, that encourages corrosion. There are brake and hub specific greases available now.

 

[Dellmassive]

Common problem with all alloys im afraid.

you can add a small bit of copper grease to help for future removals.

if its stuck on now then you can try a good rubber mallet and block of wood, just jack it up and give it a good thump from the inside out, rotate 90degress and thump again,

rotate 90degress and thump again,rotate 90degress and thump again,rotate 90degress and thump again,rotate 90degress and thump again,rotate 90degress and thump again,

the rubber mallet and wood block will stop you damaging your alloys . . .

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[Johnod17]

Thanks for the reply,I will look at the grease for breaks etc.
I have always raced motorcycles and never had a problem with copper slip,but everydays a school day .
I also asked why they don’t remove the wheels and was given the same answer .

Still think it is very poor of VW not to do this on a service,as I would never have got the wheels off on the side of the road.

 

[Dellmassive]

I got these I'm my collection, amongst others...

 

[Tourershine]

Thanks for the reply,I will look at the grease for breaks etc.
I have always raced motorcycles and never had a problem with copper slip,but everydays a school day .
I also asked why they don’t remove the wheels and was given the same answer .

Still think it is very poor of VW not to do this on a service,as I would never have got the wheels off on the side of the road.

No idea how accurate his statement was, but not used copper slip since.

 

[Loz]

I have an unlabelled pot of black carbon anti-seize that I use, smear it on then wipe off with a rag until it’s almost gone.

 

[Tourershine]

I got these I'm my collection, amongst others...

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Did you just take that pic, or was it already on your gallery?

 

[Johnod17]

I have a pot of very high temperature grease I use on the CNC machines I work on,will have to talk to the rep and get a spec sheet for it and see if it is recommended for this use.

 

[Dellmassive]

Did you just take that pic, or was it already on your gallery?

i just took it, They was still on my mechanics trolly in the office..... I was being lazy and handnt packed it way yet.




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I've always used it as an anti-seaze . . . . though i can be a bit old-skool sometimes.

as @Tourershine says there maybe a more specific anti-seaze these days.

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https://www.granvilleoil.com/techData/pdfTechData?ptdID=9


Product Description: Granville Copper Anti-Seize Compound is a soft copper coloured grease used to prevent seizure caused by metal to metal contact under arduous conditions. The product is both thermally and mechanically stable, very water repellent and will naturally adhere to metal surfaces. Ensures excellent protection for metal parts against heat, seizure, rust, corrosion, water and acid.

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Product Usage: Copper Grease is recommended for most applications where metal to metal contact needs to be avoided and for all assembly work where ease of dismantling is required including; keys, keyways, track adjusters and many more industrial and automotive uses. Copper Grease is especially recommended for applications where lead content is unacceptable (present in many other anti-seize compounds).

Specification Information: * Operating temperature range: -30°C to +1100°C * Melting point: None (infusible product) * Worked penetration: 280-320mm * Un-worked penetration @ 25°C: 265-295mm * NLGI classification: 2 * Co-efficient of friction: 0.11

 

[Tourershine]

i just took it, They was still on my mechanics trolly in the office..... I was being lazy and handnt packed it way yet.


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I've always used it as an anti-seaze . . . . though i can be a bit old-skool sometimes.

as @Tourershine says there maybe a more specific anti-seaze these days.

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Granville | Home

https://www.granvilleoil.com/techData/pdfTechData?ptdID=9


Product Description: Granville Copper Anti-Seize Compound is a soft copper coloured grease used to prevent seizure caused by metal to metal contact under arduous conditions. The product is both thermally and mechanically stable, very water repellent and will naturally adhere to metal surfaces. Ensures excellent protection for metal parts against heat, seizure, rust, corrosion, water and acid.

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Product Usage: Copper Grease is recommended for most applications where metal to metal contact needs to be avoided and for all assembly work where ease of dismantling is required including; keys, keyways, track adjusters and many more industrial and automotive uses. Copper Grease is especially recommended for applications where lead content is unacceptable (present in many other anti-seize compounds).

Specification Information: * Operating temperature range: -30°C to +1100°C * Melting point: None (infusible product) * Worked penetration: 280-320mm * Un-worked penetration @ 25°C: 265-295mm * NLGI classification: 2 * Co-efficient of friction: 0.11

I did 10 years as a mechanic from school, and always used Copper grease, and the garage I worked at, still does.
It was an issue with a previous Vivaro. I'd changed the discs and pads, end ended up with a warped set of discs, that were swapped for yet another set of warped Pagid discs. After that, EuroCarparts contacted Pagid and they sent out a their engineer to test the fitment on my work, which was all perfect.

He was the chap who said Copper slip is not something modern garages use anymore, and it's been proven to speed up the corrosion process. He used a Pagid grease on my Vivaro when he re-fitted the wheels, and I just took him at his word.

I personally don't recall wheels getting so badly seized back in my day, like they do now, but thinking about it, alloys were not as common as they are now, and most normal cars had steel wheels (showing my age now)

This issue was discussed a few weeks back on here, when @T6180 wheels were so stuck, that I couldn't get them off with my equipment.

 

[BAZT6]

I have heard the same statement about copper slip, but it would take a massive amount of corrosion to rot a wheel or hub on one of our vans. In engineering copper slip is still used by anyone who has a thought for whoever is coming along next to undo or dismantle something especially if its near any heat source or our manky roads.
If there is anything better I will happily get some.
Baz

 

[TEESIXY]

I've been using copper slip and graphite products for longer than i care to remember, and with motorbikes where the wheels get removed most weeks for cleaning, getting mucked up in the process.
I went on to this stuff- Rocol Aqua sil
Its clear, so you dont get mucked up. Obviously you wouldn't repack a cv joint with it but i use it for most jobs. Trouble is its expensive, but it sometimes comes up cheap on e bay.

 

[Loz]

I got these I'm my collection, amongst others...

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Show us your anti-seize



I think my grey one is Permatex http://amzn.eu/d/dcPCsFC

 

[Salty Spuds]

Show us your anti-seize

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I have some “nuclear grade” anti-seize in the shed that we use on a specific job. It’s frighteningly expensive. Copper slip & its ilk are banned on power stations/nuclear installations etc. It can cause embrittlement of stainless steel under certain conditions. I’m not allowed to say more than that

 

[Salty Spuds]

 

[Tony Morris]

Have used
ACF50 Anti Corrosion Block Grease on the motorbike for a number of years, works well where there are steel bolts into aluminium castings also heat resistant. Should be good for the wheels.

 

[Mooncat]

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That's Omega 99N which is nickel based. You can still use specifically approved copper based anti seize for nuclear applications......just need to make sure it's nowhere near the fabrication shop......and on lower temperature applications.

 

[Salty Spuds]

That's Omega 99N which is nickel based. You can still use specifically approved copper based anti seize for nuclear applications......just need to make sure it's nowhere near the fabrication shop......and on lower temperature applications.

I didn’t know that. The first time we did the job, I pulled out our stock tin of Copperslip & our “minder” nearly had a coronary. The Omega was provided by The Client & we were told that this was the only anti-seize allowed on that particular establishment. Be interesting to know what copper based anti-seize is allowed.

 

[Mooncat]

It varies by country and then there are specific requirements for certain operators but in some cases the like of Loctite N1000 can be used. It always takes about ten times longer to do any tasks on a nuclear application but there are very good reasons for that.