Taxation Class Question

Discussion in 'General VW T6 Chat' started by The Black Fox, 10 Jan 2019.

  1. The Black Fox

    The Black Fox New Member

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    Do the T6 campers come under light goods vehicle ..tax class ?
     
  2. Salty Spuds

    Salty Spuds Senior Member VCDS User VIP Member T6 Guru

    Depends on how it started out life, panel van, Cali, Kombi.
     
  3. The Black Fox

    The Black Fox New Member

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    Panel van
     
  4. Ed Webb

    Ed Webb Webber VCDS User Moderator VIP Member T6 Legend

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    If your vehicle started as a panel van it will remain a light goods vehicle on your v5 until you've met the required criteria and sent of a change request to the DVLA to reclass it as a motor caravan.
    A little search will bring up details on that as it's been covered plenty of times before.
     
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  5. The Black Fox

    The Black Fox New Member

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    Is there a difference in cost if it's a campervan to a panel van .
     
  6. Salty Spuds

    Salty Spuds Senior Member VCDS User VIP Member T6 Guru

    If you convert a panel van to a camper & have it re-classified as a Motor Caravan with the DVLA, the taxation class will remain as N1 & you will still pay the road tax as if it was still a van. You will however be able to do 70mph on a dual carriageway.
     
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  7. Phil_G

    Phil_G Senior Member VIP Member T6 Guru

    An example - a Birchover bought new from Hillside, first registration was as a campervan, taxation class on the V5 is "Light goods" and the category is 'N1'.
    Cheers
    Phil
     
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  8. Davenjo

    Davenjo Senior Member Moderator VIP Member T6 Legend

    Totally agree with the "N1" and Campervan bits but I actually got 2 V5 documents - the first showed as Van/Side Window rather than Campervan. I had to get this original V5 back to Hillside which they then had amended to Campervan once they had completed the conversion and sent the photos off - all of this took place ahead of the date of first registration with me shown as first registered keeper on both versions of the V5. I had always assumed that this was the normal practice, i.e. first identity/registration of a PV has to be as a PV and then changed once proof of conversion to Camper supplied??
     
  9. Martinf

    Martinf Senior Member VIP Member T6 Pro

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    I don’t know what is normal, but we are the second registered keeper. The converter registered the van to themselves first even though under their contract were were the owner. We were not best pleased, but probably no long term consequence.
     
  10. Davenjo

    Davenjo Senior Member Moderator VIP Member T6 Legend

    I wouldn't be happy with that either. Did you do a factory order or was it a van the convertors had in stock?
     
  11. oldiebut goodie

    oldiebut goodie Member T6 Pro

    Mine was done the same - be thankful that it has been done that way! It is a workaround the punitive taxation that we would have to pay on a vehicle over £40k for 5 years . We would be paying an extra £310 each year for 5 years. I don't know how long it will be until they catch on to the fact that this is happening and they are losing taxation.

    Theoretically we should only be paying £140 a year. I shall see in a year's time.
     
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  12. Martinf

    Martinf Senior Member VIP Member T6 Pro

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    It was ordered for us to our particular specification!
    The mileage at transfer to us as registered keeper was 95 so demonstrably only the converters mileage as it included trips to subcontractors like VB suspension fitment
     
  13. oldiebut goodie

    oldiebut goodie Member T6 Pro

    Mine was ordered from the factory via the converter and I paid the cost on delivery to them so I purchased a van @ say £25K then I paid the rest for conversion later so I therefore did not pay for a vehicle over £40K as such at first registration. Sneaky but it seems to work. If I had purchased the vehicle as a registered completed conversion it would have cost over the £40K so would have been liable for the extra.
     
  14. Davenjo

    Davenjo Senior Member Moderator VIP Member T6 Legend

    Even more reason to be annoyed - no way I would want my “brand new” camper to show someone else as the first registered keeper unless this was made clear from the outset. At least if/when you come to sell you can explain the 95 miles and, presumably, short time period between date of first registration and transfer to you.
     
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  15. Davenjo

    Davenjo Senior Member Moderator VIP Member T6 Legend

    @Martinf in our case, even with the expected 2 stage registration (PV then Camper) the date of first registration was the day I picked the completed conversion up - one big difference is probably that Hillside did everything in-house??
     
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  16. Teesix

    Teesix Member T6 Pro

    Sorry but this a Trading Standards issue.

    If you are buying a 'new' vehicle you should be the first person named in the log book. If the vehicle has been pre-registered, either to a dealer or direct from the manufacturer, you are buying a second hand vehicle. Because ownership affects depreciation, your vehicle is not to the value you have paid for it, and you therefore have a case to bring to the Trading Standards under the Sale of Goods act.

    The money you think you may have saved as a work around the tax is actually significantly less than the loss in value of your van due to it having 2 owners. You've paid list price money for a second hand vehicle.

    That's my take on it. I'd be livid if a dealer tried that one on me but it's very common unfortunately.
     
  17. oldiebut goodie

    oldiebut goodie Member T6 Pro

    Rubbish! I am the first person named in the log book. There has been no change of ownership at all.I purchased the vehicle as stated above. Nowhere have I stated that the vehicle was pre-registered. Methinks you have the wrong end of the stick there. Bringing Trading Standards into the mix has only muddied the waters and is superfluous.
     
  18. Davenjo

    Davenjo Senior Member Moderator VIP Member T6 Legend

    I think there was a bit of a crossover in @Teesix response with the situation you were describing (similar to my own) and that of Martinf (whose van was effectively pre registered to the convertor).
     
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  19. Teesix

    Teesix Member T6 Pro

    Sorry, crossed wires. I was refering to what Davenjo just explained.

    Indeed. Thank you.
     
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  20. oldiebut goodie

    oldiebut goodie Member T6 Pro

    Aaaaahhhhh!
     
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