Opinions and discussions.....

[DrPhill]

Yes anything above 150 would be a bi-turbo
There are different variants of the bi-turbo some more troublesome than others. I’ve had both the 150 and currently the 204.
I personally wouldn’t be put off by the bi-turbo but a lot of people are just for the pure fear factor of all the horror stories and massive bills which I understand why risk it but many happy bi-turbos still on the road

Thanks for that less pessimistic view.

I'm not a sporty driver (though I might occasionally be tempted if I had some ooomph) and would probably not make anything like full use of a second turbo (assuming that the cut in sequentially). But if a van was otherwise good I would need to assess the risk of a BiTurbo.

Is there anything happening at about 80k miles that would have nudged the owner to sell I wonder?

 

[DXX]

I have never had air suspension so have no feel for the difference, so your opinions are very welcome. Our

Search With air suspension, plenty of content on the Forum

 

[Kind of Blue]

Others may correct me, but isn't this the Bi Turbo engine with potential issues?

A little strange no engine as far as I am aware had 201bhp the earlier CXEB had a stated 204bhp later 2019 was the CXEC 199bhp 146kw yet the front grill looks T6. However builder might have direct from the factory perhaps and be unregistered for some time. I would strongly suggest if looking at this vehicle one checks exactly what engine it is because I feel their may possibly be some deception here I would approach with caution or dismiss it. I may be wrong but that is my feeling.

I have a 2019 Caravelle exec 4Motion with a CXEC Engine and these are fine, no problems to date.

 

[manfrotto]

A little strange no engine as far as I am aware had 201bhp the earlier CXEB had a stated 204bhp later 2019 was the CXEC 199bhp 146kw yet the front grill looks T6. However builder might have direct from the factory perhaps and be unregistered for some time. I would strongly suggest if looking at this vehicle one checks exactly what engine it is because I feel their may possibly be some deception here I would approach with caution or dismiss it. I may be wrong but that is my feeling.

I have a 2019 Caravelle exec 4Motion with a CXEC Engine and these are fine, no problems to date.

201 BHP = 204PS - imperial vs metric horsepower, so assume it is the 204PS Bi-turbo engine

 

[Kind of Blue]

201 BHP = 204PS - imperial vs metric horsepower, so assume it is the 204PS Bi-turbo engine

AH yes quite too many notes noise an noise and noise

So eventually the 2019 199 bhp 146kw CXEC in late T6 and early T6.1 was replace by another bi turbo "Date?" "nomenclature?" in the T6.1

What about the Grill that looks T6 to my unobservant eyes did all T6.1 have the same grill? Still uncomfortable needs more detail. It is fair to say many get the numbers and spec mixed up only a month ago someone was putting 204bhp on a T6.1 Suggested they check the hand book and it was in fact 199bhp so they changed the advert on this forum.

It is a shame VW had 2 engines with 204bhp early one bad late one good also it can become confusing with many transposing ps into bhp without the mathematical change it may be better in the long run to express engine power in kw from the handbook or other legal accumulating paperwork.

 

[Sasquatch]

Ones slow and guzzles oil.

The other is just slow.

Kids on BMXs can easily out drag them all, so choose the combination reljability/price/running cost that suits.

Perhaps riding my Hyabusa to view vans all over Southern England has recalibrated my brain somewhat...? Climbing off that and straight behind the wheel I struggled to feel the difference between a 110 or 199. Only mildly different shades of lethargy.

 

[manfrotto]

Ones slow and guzzles oil.

The other is just slow.

Kids on BMXs can easily out drag them all, so choose the combination reljability/price/running cost that suits.

Perhaps riding my Hyabusa to view vans all over Southern England has recalibrated my brain somewhat...? Climbing off that and straight behind the wheel I struggled to feel the difference between a 110 or 199. Only mildly different shades of lethargy.

If you want lots of power in a van maybe this will cut the mustard....

Maybe VW will rebadge it and call it a ID - Super buzz ??

 

[Sasquatch]

My Volvo T5 is a weird one. Remapped to 340BHP, maybe 6 seconds to 60 which barely qualifies as nippy these days. But good old fashioned turbo lag means I experience nothing...nothing...nothing...everything all at once...nothing again...which makes it feel much quicker and larier than it really is.

But its still slow.

Didn't Renault build a van or an Espace with an F1 engine at some point? Edit - it was an Espace.

 

[kipperman]

Description mentions off grid - but with twin induction hobs and a wife that likes to cook that Clayton ain't going to last long without EHU.

I'm assuming the conversion done on old wheels - never a fan of that.

Description doesn't mention van A/C- always check for that.

Air suspension - more weight and more complication IMO

Just some more things to consider

 

[Kind of Blue]

Description mentions off grid - but with twin induction hobs and a wife that likes to cook that Clayton ain't going to last long without EHU.

I'm assuming the conversion done on old wheels - never a fan of that.

Description doesn't mention van A/C- always check for that.

Air suspension - more weight and more complication IMO

Just some more things to consider

I would change the hob to a Wallas diesel hob preferably with hood containing fans blowers to heat the inside or to rapidly cool after use. I had / have a Wallas owned for many years very frugal good heat can leave on for hours using little fuel and a miniscule amp hours and vents through a flue. Though mine runs or ran not used for years on paraffin or aviation fuel. They even make a separate oven or oven with hotplates. Can be plumbed into vehicle main supply or have separate tank they do several sizes so could use RED Diesel if one wanted to be very frugal . They have quite a number of hobs and cookers in production and space heaters also. Originally I think that they were for boats and I bought mine used from a marine chandlers in Poole Dorset many years ago.

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[DrPhill]

I think that I am following this - excuse me if I am being slow to catch up...

So if the engine is the CXEB then it may have a problematic BiTurbo, but if it is a CXEC it is probably alright? And there is a bit more confusion as the change happened around the date that this transporter was registered? The CXEB was used in the T6 and the CXEC in the T6.1 (I'm guessing that life is not that simple)? The model in question is likely a T6 judging by the grill (I have not got a trained eye yet) even though registered in 202 but the T6.1 was announced in March 2019. This could have been old stock hanging around, being cleared - I guess it would have been a bit more pricy when new with the AWD and automatic transmission so could have taken a while to shift.

 

[DrPhill]

Description mentions off grid - but with twin induction hobs and a wife that likes to cook that Clayton ain't going to last long without EHU.

The off-grid bit is not quite such an interest to us - but you are right the hob may be leccy-hungry. I envisage at most a night or two away from 'proper shower and toilets' so just need to recharge the battery when driving/parked up. And I want to tour Scotland - plenty of sunshine up there.... For the times when we do park up we will need to monitor leccy levels (and maybe take a small burner for the essential tea/coffee emergency).

EDIT: And my thanks to everyone contributing - this is getting me to think of a lot of things that need consideration before jumping in with both feet. That is what I did last time, and while I don't regret doing so, I could have done a lot better with a bit of forethought and preparation.

 

[Kind of Blue]

I think that I am following this - excuse me if I am being slow to catch up...

So if the engine is the CXEB then it may have a problematic BiTurbo, but if it is a CXEC it is probably alright? And there is a bit more confusion as the change happened around the date that this transporter was registered? The CXEB was used in the T6 and the CXEC in the T6.1 (I'm guessing that life is not that simple)? The model in question is likely a T6 judging by the grill (I have not got a trained eye yet) even though registered in 202 but the T6.1 was announced in March 2019. This could have been old stock hanging around, being cleared - I guess it would have been a bit more pricy when new with the AWD and automatic transmission so could have taken a while to shift.

The CXEC engine ran in late 2019 T6 and The then in the new T6.1. My vehicle is a 2019 T6 Caravelle Executive 4Motion with Differential Lock. The best person to ask would be @Dellmassive who has covered the problematic CXEB in great detail.

Thread '- 204ps Bi-Turbo CXEB T6 Engine & Turbo problems -'

17 Aug 2024

- 204ps Bi-Turbo CXEB T6 Engine & Turbo problems -

Looks like im the latest patient of the CEXB engine issues.

(possibly the 2016-2018 range as there is a mention that the CXEB Block etc was revised in 2019)

(the CXEC 199ps Bi-Turbo was released 2019> and revised )

in sort it looks like its either Turbo or Engine failure.

here is some background:

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204ps Bi-Turbo CXEB Engine & Turbo problems...

• Dellmassive
• cxeb engine
• Replies: 494
• Forum: Engine, Gearbox, Exhaust, Drivetrain

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• 

 

[DrPhill]

The CXEC engine ran in late 2019 T6 and The then in the new T6.1. My vehicle is a 2019 T6 Caravelle Executive 4Motion with Differential Lock. The best person to ask would be @Dellmassive who has covered the problematic CXEB in great detail.

Thread '- 204ps Bi-Turbo CXEB T6 Engine & Turbo problems -'

17 Aug 2024

- 204ps Bi-Turbo CXEB T6 Engine & Turbo problems -

Looks like im the latest patient of the CEXB engine issues.

(possibly the 2016-2018 range as there is a mention that the CXEB Block etc was revised in 2019)

(the CXEC 199ps Bi-Turbo was released 2019> and revised )

in sort it looks like its either Turbo or Engine failure.

here is some background:

******************************************************************
204ps Bi-Turbo CXEB Engine & Turbo problems...

• Dellmassive
• cxeb engine
• Replies: 494
• Forum: Engine, Gearbox, Exhaust, Drivetrain

• 
• 

Thanks. Interesting read.... 20k repair bill certainly gives me pause. Thinking about new van and warrantee now...... not a cheap option at all.

 

[Kind of Blue]

Thanks. Interesting read.... 20k repair bill certainly gives me pause. Thinking about new van and warrantee now...... not a cheap option at all.

Just take your time ask as many questions as are needed. It is a lot of money. Their is a lot of technical knowledge on here particularly Delmassive and mmi.. If you look through their pages it is simply staggering.

 

[DrPhill]

I'm beginning to wonder about buying a base van first, and investing in a conversion once I am happy with the van...... any opinions?

Edit: Does 'Highline' always include air con? I am looking at one on line 2023 might be a good base but does not mention aircon.

 

[Chippie1]

I'm beginning to wonder about buying a base van first, and investing in a conversion once I am happy with the van...... any opinions?

Edit: Does 'Highline' always include air con? I am looking at one on line 2023 might be a good base but does not mention aircon.

Yes air con standard on a highline

 

[Chippie1]

Ones slow and guzzles oil.

The other is just slow.

Kids on BMXs can easily out drag them all, so choose the combination reljability/price/running cost that suits.

Perhaps riding my Hyabusa to view vans all over Southern England has recalibrated my brain somewhat...? Climbing off that and straight behind the wheel I struggled to feel the difference between a 110 or 199. Only mildly different shades of lethargy.

I don’t agree yes they are vans so never going to be massively quick but you can tell the difference jumping from say a 102 to a 150 and in my case a 150 to a 204. I think it’s nippy for a van and let’s be honest a lot of people map there vans to gain more speed and torque and then are happy with the extra output.
Being a biker myself and having a super bike nothing will compare to that for a complete adrenaline rush but totally different in my opinion to driving a 4 wheeled vehicle

 

[Linoleum Bonypart]

Not sure about single beds in a T6 … full width bed leaves some space between two ppl

 

[DrPhill]

I don’t agree yes they are vans so never going to be massively quick but you can tell the difference jumping from say a 102 to a 150 and in my case a 150 to a 204. I think it’s nippy for a van and let’s be honest a lot of people map there vans to gain more speed and torque and then are happy with the extra output.
Being a biker myself and having a super bike nothing will compare to that for a complete adrenaline rush but totally different in my opinion to driving a 4 wheeled vehicle

I have ridden bikes before - when I was younger and my reactions were faster. Loved the torque more than the power (1400cc v-twin). Nothing else has compared with that. I am happy with sedate, these days I drive an i10 so even a 150 will be a step up!!