No-deal "tax" On New Vehicles

Glassman

Glassman

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My factory order T6 'may' be subject to a supplement. The supplying dealer has invited me to sign a disclaimer that in the event, I will pay the supplement/surcharge to get my new van delivered. The annoying thing is, everything was agreed and accepted but the forms hadn't been signed as there was some toing and froing (on email) over options.

Porsche have slapped a 10% surcharge on their products so it is highly likely that as its sister company, VW will follow suit.

Thoughts?
 
Glassman said:
My factory order T6 'may' be subject to a supplement. The supplying dealer has invited me to sign a disclaimer that in the event, I will pay the supplement/surcharge to get my new van delivered. The annoying thing is, everything was agreed and accepted but the forms hadn't been signed as there was some toing and froing (on email) over options.

Porsche have slapped a 10% surcharge on their products so it is highly likely that as its sister company, VW will follow suit.

Thoughts?
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Tell em to keep it.
 
Hopefully we won't end up in a no deal situation, because just like the start of this process several irritating years ago, and many companies using the whole 'b' word as an excuse to increase prices, I suspect many other will follow suit with surcharges that they cannot quite justify yet.

How anyone can add potential extra charges for something none of us actually know the answers for is beyond my small mind.
Where did Porsche get the 10% figure from? Do they know something the rest of the country don't.

Welcome to the forum.
 
This is a sweeping generalisation, but I suspect those who buy new Porsches may moan yet have the financial resilience to take a ten per cent hike. The majority of VW Commercial buyers will be small to medium business buyers, and a similar price hike has to be justified, and as has already been said, the details are simply unknown.

For a private buyer, I'd explain that I couldn't afford it and that it would be a deal breaker. Not every VWC dealership will be doing that, so shop around.

Sadly, this type of thing will be getting very common before too long. No-one likes uncertainty.
 
Tourershine said:
Hopefully we won't end up in a no deal situation, because just like the start of this process several irritating years ago, and many companies using the whole 'b' word as an excuse to increase prices, I suspect many other will follow suit with surcharges that they cannot quite justify yet.

How anyone can add potential extra charges for something none of us actually know the answers for is beyond my small mind.
Where did Porsche get the 10% figure from? Do they know something the rest of the country don't.

Welcome to the forum.
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It came from a study that was floated around by the EU last year that without a trade deal, imports passing either way between EU/UK "could" be subject to a 10% tariff. It was mainly done to scare the UK government into agreeing with whatever we were offered, and had the effect of major manufacturers/organisations to bail from the UK and set up shop on the mainland as they do more business there than in the UK and were only here because of subsidies, which would no longer be enough.
Note that Porsche have not said that their prices are going up, they're just insuring themselves.

I'm sure they'll act honourably like any other VW brand always has...
 
I read the article in the news over the weekend about Porsche. They said it was unclear whether Audi, VW, Bugatti, Ducati et al would be following suit.
Since they are all the same group I think it is fairly inevitable.
 
Isn’t the standard WTO tariff on cars 10%? In other words, if no deal is agreed and we crash out we revert to WTO terms and the 10% tariff is applied? Given this, I’m not surprised the manufacturers are covering themselves against government idiocy.
 
t0mb0 said:
Isn’t the standard WTO tariff on cars 10%? In other words, if no deal is agreed and we crash out we revert to WTO terms and the 10% tariff is applied? Given this, I’m not surprised the manufacturers are covering themselves against government idiocy.
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Exactly, if the 10% tariff comes in, it will apply to all importers not just Porsche and VW. At least they’re making people aware of it, though they’d love it if they were able to sneak a stealth price rise of their own into any revised pricing come April.
 
In addition (as when the brexit vote happened) Sterling fell so imports became more expensive, so could be a double hit! Assuming t6s are not built in the UK using UK parts.
 
Mwillis said:
In addition (as when the brexit vote happened) Sterling fell so imports became more expensive, so could be a double hit! Assuming t6s are not built in the UK using UK parts.
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Too true, we could well see the pound below parity with euro, proper double whammy. Every person I know who will admit to voting leave says they would change it in a heartbeat if it wasn't too late.
 
Steve H said:
Could be worse... You could be ordering a new T6 AND working at Swindon Honda..

But let's not get political.
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Yeah, horrible position for those folk. Wish them all the best in finding new work.

Brexit and shrinking EU import tariffs for Japanese cars aside, can't help thinking VW is in part responsible for what's going on at Swindon. Dieselgate has been a major influence in the sudden rush for electric propulsion. Honda seems to think it's better set up for this in its homeland and the States.
 
Dieseldonkey said:
Yeah, horrible position for those folk. Wish them all the best in finding new work.

Brexit and shrinking EU import tariffs for Japanese cars aside, can't help thinking VW is in part responsible for what's going on at Swindon. Dieselgate has been a major influence in the sudden rush for electric propulsion. Honda seems to think it's better set up for this in its homeland and the States.
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Yes very difficult position for people at Honda. I also think VW are in part responsible for this crazy Diesel situation too. It has given me a dilemma, having bought my T6 Kombi late 2017 thinking it will be my love for a good few years, I have now cancelled the conversion I was planning and will be handing the vehicle back after my 3 years PCP comes to an end sadly.
 
Dieselgate and taxation has clearly turned people away from diesel vehicles. However I am personally more concerned about the harm being created to our planet by the mining operations that are occurring to extract the precious metals required for battery technology, let alone how the hell the National grid will cope when everyone plugs their cars in for recharge. Then there is the issue around the fuel being used in the power stations to generate the electricity, mmmm isn’t that predominantly hydrocarbon????
 
On reflection, it's probably wrong of me to consider VW as a whole should carry some blame. Suspect the reality is, that it was a select few who were aware, sanctioned and authorised what was going on. Ultimately VW and half the sodding corporate world that it owns, provide considerably more employment than even Honda.

There seems to have been a knee jerk reaction by governments however. From what I've read, Bosch have made significant in roads into reducing harmful emissions from diesel, well beyond euro 6. Refining and condensing existing technology, exploiting the benefits of higher temperatures to act as a catalyst in the process.

Nobody seems to care at a political level though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that lithium ain't too environmentally friendly in terms of its extraction and production into batteries. Nor does it lend itself well to end of life recycling. :unsure:
 
Someone working in power generation said a while ago “If we want to all be driving electric cars in 20 yrs time, we need to start building more nuclear power stations 20yrs ago...”
 
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