Well, we are until we buy a T6 and all the required accessories/mods, then we're all skint again...
Are EVs the way forward?
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Here's an anomaly I wasn't aware of until last weekend when we had the in-laws visit and realised that at £190 his 67 plate 3.0 litre 25 mpg Porsche Macan was cheaper to tax for the year than my 67 plate T6 camper at £335.
Off topic as ever but it's very difficult to point out the inequalities in society without the thread descending into partisan politics but I'm waiting to see the YouTube episode of Harry's Farm/Garage where he rails against the government betrayal of making farmers pay a reduced percentage inheritance tax on their country seats.
Off topic as ever but it's very difficult to point out the inequalities in society without the thread descending into partisan politics but I'm waiting to see the YouTube episode of Harry's Farm/Garage where he rails against the government betrayal of making farmers pay a reduced percentage inheritance tax on their country seats.
Limited sympathy for farmers.
Get grants for solar for their farm energy, then use it for their homes.
Red diesel abuse prevalent around here at least.....
Compensation for Foot and Mouth in the day......claimed for every bit of rusty useless machinery lying around the yard as contaminated.
Rip up the hedgerows in the 80's, then get grants to put in new ones.
Put up fences across historical footpaths and then abuse members of the public legally walking the routes.
Massive tractors screwing the road surfaces creating potholes and collapsed edge margins.
Talking from experience: the above is behaviour from farming relatives.
Get grants for solar for their farm energy, then use it for their homes.
Red diesel abuse prevalent around here at least.....
Compensation for Foot and Mouth in the day......claimed for every bit of rusty useless machinery lying around the yard as contaminated.
Rip up the hedgerows in the 80's, then get grants to put in new ones.
Put up fences across historical footpaths and then abuse members of the public legally walking the routes.
Massive tractors screwing the road surfaces creating potholes and collapsed edge margins.
Talking from experience: the above is behaviour from farming relatives.
I see farmers at times for work and the ones I meet make me think I made the wrong career choice.
I guess we all moan we have it harder than the next person.
I also know someone that bought a working farm purely for the non-farming income it brings. He doesn’t grow crops or use it for cattle (it’s no longer a working farm except when he can be bothered he plant Fir trees for selling at Christmas) yet he makes more from it in one year due to access rights, utilities crossings etc. than I imagine most of us make in two. No doubt he doesn’t think he should pay inheritance tax on it (surely nobody does want to pay it though?).
As for nurses (as @DaveD touched on - oooh matron!) my sister-in-law is one and my brother teaches. They can only afford relative bangers. SIL gave up driving into work as although they can buy and run the car the parking at the hospital costs a fortune for employees and the queue to get into and out of said car park takes half an hour each way. Their ICE car - is currently off road awaiting a resolution regarding its wet belt).
Same problem (parking costs and drive time) for my friend who is a nurse so she happily cycles. I don’t think anyone here has said nurses don’t deserve to drive to work or that they must use certain fuel. In fact the only time I would say people don’t want to let nurses have a choice of travel to work is in my local rag where a few blokes argue. Cyclists shouldn’t be allowed on the road, aren’t allowed on the pavement and yet cycle lanes are a waste of time and money… the council built one to the hospital and a handful of our 350k residents are up in arms!
My wife has never driven - always been in full time employment but limits her choice to cycling distances. So it is a choice, not a need.
We love ours, and I can’t say that I’ve had range anxiety. I’ve also never queued for a charger. That said we mainly charge at home - it’s under a fiver to drive 200 miles - our T6 would cost £35 to do the same.
“Servicing” is around £125 a year from a main dealer and consists of pollen filter change, new brake fluid and a lot of time looking at the vehicle!!!
Absolutely love the driving experience too. Nick
Yep, it's a cheap service....but what is 'scoping' or 'scope'......yet to find out.
Our brake fluid change is every 2 years
So on our quest to replace our Passat and getting something slightly smaller, as our chicks have flown the nest, I test drove a ID3 (that we won’t be getting as MrsT suffers from battery range anxiety), and I must say it blew me away. So smooth, quiet, effortless and very very quick.
A bit daunting when I first jumped in but very simple on the face of it without getting too involved with all the gadgetry.
I get the gist with electric cars that the depreciation side of things falls off a cliff edge when the car approaches the end of the battery warranty period, around 7 to 8 years in VW’s case. With the cost of them new being stupid money (Aren’t they all now!,)that only leaves a smallish window when the optimum time to own a good low miles used/ex demo vehicle before you have to so start thinking about chopping it in.
So my question for all the EV owners out there, is how long do you intend to own your electric car? Replace every 3-4 years I guess is
how it’s looking as long term ownership could not only be problematic in terms of battery life but also an even lower residual value when compared to Ice.
Even though we are not getting one this time around it has been an interesting fact finding mission and is really hitting home how the car scene has/is changing very quickly in terms of financing ( having only ever bought outright and for long term) and ownership.
A bit daunting when I first jumped in but very simple on the face of it without getting too involved with all the gadgetry.
I get the gist with electric cars that the depreciation side of things falls off a cliff edge when the car approaches the end of the battery warranty period, around 7 to 8 years in VW’s case. With the cost of them new being stupid money (Aren’t they all now!,)that only leaves a smallish window when the optimum time to own a good low miles used/ex demo vehicle before you have to so start thinking about chopping it in.
So my question for all the EV owners out there, is how long do you intend to own your electric car? Replace every 3-4 years I guess is
how it’s looking as long term ownership could not only be problematic in terms of battery life but also an even lower residual value when compared to Ice.
Even though we are not getting one this time around it has been an interesting fact finding mission and is really hitting home how the car scene has/is changing very quickly in terms of financing ( having only ever bought outright and for long term) and ownership.
Where has that 10.5 year figure come from ?
I'd suggest it's getting longer as the tech improves.
I bought my EV at 3 years old, intend to keep it til it turns to dust, it's that good. The battery is warranted for 100k miles it's currently at 52k with battery state around 97% of original from delivery.
The best thing is, Mrs SMC loves it !
I'd suggest it's getting longer as the tech improves.
I bought my EV at 3 years old, intend to keep it til it turns to dust, it's that good. The battery is warranted for 100k miles it's currently at 52k with battery state around 97% of original from delivery.
The best thing is, Mrs SMC loves it !
A ten year old Zoe or Leaf and that's like cold porridge but in six years time buying a 71 plate Kia EV5 or Model 3 for well below £10k, probably nearer £5k then that ten year old E class or Q5 will just be too expensive to feed in comparison.
There was a recent study quoted in many sources showing EVs are now lasting as long as ICE vehicles.
Just one write up (one of the first I found as I’m lazy)… EVs Now Last 18 Years, Matching ICE Cars In Lifespan, Large Study Finds | Carscoops
I had meant the Hyundai Ioniq 5 not the incoming Kia EV5 or existing EV6 which is their version of the Ioniq 5... that was head spinning brain fartdom as I juggle my EV wishlist and it didn't help when @NicolasH throws 200 miles for a fiver into the mix.
You need to read this. I didnt get it. We had a Polestar for a few weeks (dont ask, but mostly down to their CS sh**ness they couldnt deliver it and it actually work, look nice, be clean etc) so we got an Marc EQA which was advertised as having a smaller battery but was so much better range wise. Not the case it transpires
What are the sizes of the battery buffers?
I was never a massive fan of EVs I’m a bit of a petrol head but I do like tech
The wife was driving around in a 2005 bmw x3 that died so we looked around at replacement x3 Audi q5 type vehicles then we tried a model y
Needless to say she is now driving a Tesla the decision points were firstly it is mostly charged at home, her commute is about 50 miles per day and I run a limited company so got a kick back on capital allowance
I’ve got a fleet of v8 petrol vehicles and my t6 but recently I’ve been finding myself jumping in the Tesla if it’s sat there as it’s such an easy vehicle to live with if we go somewhere together we now tend to take the Tesla even if we go up north from bristol charging has never been a problem
I think most people would be surprised how good they are if they had the opportunity to use one for 6months
There are things I don’t use it for, it couldn’t replace the t6 for mountain biking camping or carrying my motor bikes
I don’t like using it in deepish water it just feels dangerous we have flooding a lot near me only maybe 30 -50cm but I get nervous (the wife however just drives through)
Like I say I’m not a fan but they are very good for most peoples usage as long as they can charge at home
The wife was driving around in a 2005 bmw x3 that died so we looked around at replacement x3 Audi q5 type vehicles then we tried a model y
Needless to say she is now driving a Tesla the decision points were firstly it is mostly charged at home, her commute is about 50 miles per day and I run a limited company so got a kick back on capital allowance
I’ve got a fleet of v8 petrol vehicles and my t6 but recently I’ve been finding myself jumping in the Tesla if it’s sat there as it’s such an easy vehicle to live with if we go somewhere together we now tend to take the Tesla even if we go up north from bristol charging has never been a problem
I think most people would be surprised how good they are if they had the opportunity to use one for 6months
There are things I don’t use it for, it couldn’t replace the t6 for mountain biking camping or carrying my motor bikes
I don’t like using it in deepish water it just feels dangerous we have flooding a lot near me only maybe 30 -50cm but I get nervous (the wife however just drives through)
Like I say I’m not a fan but they are very good for most peoples usage as long as they can charge at home
When we were in France last year, we had just set up camp and having a cuppa when a Tesla Y pulled up to the next but one bay from us and unhitched a medium sized caravan. I had never seen (or not noticed) a Tesla or any other EV pulling a caravan before and TBH didn't actually realise that it was a thing (but I had never really given it any thought!). That said, a bit later, we also noticed that they were both sitting outside the van drinking wine but the car was nowhere in sight and when we went for a walk up the road to the village saw it plugged into a charging point in the public car park.
Exactly this. I’m not a farmer & I have no farming connections, far from it, I started my working life in the coal mines, so not a natural supporter of the landed gentry…BUT, if the IHT laws take hold, I can guarantee that within a couple of generations, all the farmland in the UK will be owned by large multinational corporations, probably Chinese & American. These will dictate what we eat and what price we pay, it will be the big supermarkets amplified. These corporations may not even decide to sell the products here in the UK, they may decide to export everything they grow to more lucrative markets.
Also, large corporations don’t die, so the inheritance tax will become moot, the government will rake it in for a few years, and then the land will pass to perpetual entities that won’t pay tax of any kind, think Amazon, Google, Meta etc. once it’s gone, it’s gone. Be very careful what you wish for.
It's already happening !
Dyson holds large swathes of East Anglia...
My house is on an Estate owned by two Dutch millionaires who have a separate company which runs the farming side and they run a shoot over the winter months, mainly for Dutch guns who come over and shoot anything that moves. Their stewardship of the land is poor, overgrown hedges, no margins on the fields for wildlife, damaged fences etc. They are just out to get as much out if the land for least input. They're also evicting long term residents in farm cottages so they can sell them for a quick buck.
They bought the estate from Duncan Davidson of Persimmon homes, who still owns 1000's of acres up here.
My holiday cottage nearby is surrounded by farms and land owned by Woolwich Hospital ! A throwback to the 1890's.
The Co-op is also a very large land owner too around these parts. There is very little personal farm ownership; 90% are tenants.
Dyson holds large swathes of East Anglia...
My house is on an Estate owned by two Dutch millionaires who have a separate company which runs the farming side and they run a shoot over the winter months, mainly for Dutch guns who come over and shoot anything that moves. Their stewardship of the land is poor, overgrown hedges, no margins on the fields for wildlife, damaged fences etc. They are just out to get as much out if the land for least input. They're also evicting long term residents in farm cottages so they can sell them for a quick buck.
They bought the estate from Duncan Davidson of Persimmon homes, who still owns 1000's of acres up here.
My holiday cottage nearby is surrounded by farms and land owned by Woolwich Hospital ! A throwback to the 1890's.
The Co-op is also a very large land owner too around these parts. There is very little personal farm ownership; 90% are tenants.
One thing's for sure, IHT thresholds have never kept pace with inflation, so the "it's only a few farms" argument is a crock of s**t. Still... at least it's a convenient policy if you needed land for, let's say, huge solar farms, onshore wind farms and/or a mass housebuilding project.
The agricultural IHT relief only came in in 1983, and there were plenty of multinationals about before then, and farming had continued for many generations before 1983. Large concerns buying up smaller ones happens in every industry.
Anyway, I’m still interested in getting a small EV when the next generation are about and have a bit of depreciation on. Maybe a Hyundai Inster to replace my SantaFe when that finally dies, or VW ID1 if it arrives before the SantaFe meets its recycler.
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