Euro 5 engine.

[Dellmassive]

My T5.1 is EURO5 has an EGR but no DPF

It should have...

There's should be three boxes in the exhaust.. cat, dpf, muffler. On Eu5 spec engine.

The euro 6 adds in the adblue.

Google foo for Eu5 ...

Euro 5 standards, introduced in 2009, made Diesel Particulate Filters (DPFs) mandatory for virtually all new diesel cars to meet strict limits on soot (particulate matter) emissions, meaning if your diesel car is Euro 5, it should have a DPF and will fail its MOT if it's missing or tampered with.

Key Points:
Requirement: Euro 5 legislation effectively required DPFs for diesel vehicles to capture harmful soot particles, making them essential for compliance.

Implementation: While introduced in 2009 for new models, these standards applied to all new cars by January 2011.

MOT Test: Since 2014 in the UK, a DPF inspection has been part of the MOT test, and a diesel car without a functioning DPF will fail.

Legality: It's illegal in the UK to remove a factory-fitted DPF, as it results in an MOT failure and potential fines.

Function: The DPF traps soot, which the vehicle periodically burns off (regenerates) to prevent clogging.

In summary, if you have a Euro 5 diesel vehicle, it's designed to have a DPF, and it must have one to be road legal and pass inspections.

 

[Sasquatch]

And PN testing is supposedly coming for the MOT test soon, so those with DPF deletes will get a fearsomely expensive shock.

 

[Dellmassive]

And PN testing is supposedly coming for the MOT test soon, so those with DPF deletes will get a fearsomely expensive shock.

What's PN?

 

[mmi]

What we’re working on: PN testing and cameras in garages trial – Matters of Testing

Chris Price takes a closer look at DfT's MOT Particle Number testing to improve environmental outcomes and gives more insight into DVSA's connected cameras trial to support testers in their role.

mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk

 

[Sasquatch]

What we’re working on: PN testing and cameras in garages trial – Matters of Testing

Chris Price takes a closer look at DfT's MOT Particle Number testing to improve environmental outcomes and gives more insight into DVSA's connected cameras trial to support testers in their role.

mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk

Indeed. And the trial has been expanded, and about 1 in 20 qualifying vehicles have been found out of spec due to either DPF tampering or DPF fault (the latter is being charitable.)

They cant be failed at the moment as this is only a trial, but it shows the proportion of folk who've tried to be clever who are going to get butt reamed with a PG9 prohibition notice when its eventually rolled out.

 

[Dellmassive]

Oh nice one, so particular number testing.

Specifically to pick up with damaged or remove DPFs eh..

Well that will be a bad day for all these people that have had their DPF deleted.

Thou saying that , as always there will be dodgy mot garages that will fake the test, and use the substitute vehicle to defraud the values.

I'm sure that if this goes ahead nationally it will stop a lot of the blatant DPF deletes, where garages tell unsuspecting van owners that is absolutely fine to do whereas , as we know better it's completely illegal and very bad for the environment.

Too many backstreet garages offer a dpf and adblue delete and say it's perfectly acceptable and will make your engine last longer.

I'm not here to preach to anyone.

But, I've always been an advocate of maintaining the vehicle and engine as it was manufactured we've no delete. Maintenance keeping the van on the road as it should be. And not just deleting systems when there's a problem as a cheap way out.

Sure DPF, turbo, EGR valves, are all expensive items to get done. But in my opinion that's just part of the price of running a vehicle.

Too many people cheap out and go for the cheaper delate option.
. Even though we keep reminding people that the practice is illegal and bad for the environment.

I suppose v o s a and MOT people know all about it at this no test is trying to combat that situation.

 

[Sasquatch]

I agree. If I couldnt afford to properly repair my van if it were to break I wouldn't have bought it. I wouldn't be happy with a big bill, but I'd suck it up and move on.

 

[Chippie1]

I agree. If I couldnt afford to properly repair my van if it were to break I wouldn't have bought it. I wouldn't be happy with a big bill, but I'd suck it up and move on.

Couldn’t of put it better myself.

 

[Lubrown]

I believe that, for people that have (to serve their purpose in the community) to drive long distances a good, modern, Diesel is still the most eco-friendly vehicle.
I am NOT speaking about prototypes, but vehicles that you see on the road by the thousands.

I agree, for long distance diesel is still pretty good and will have its place for some time yet. And I stand by the view that ICE can be clean without compromising reliability. Meanwhile, seeing the latest EV vehicles, compared to the first gen, it’s amazing to see the progress made in such a relatively short timeframe.


Back to your point about long journeys…Trouble is data shows us many people make journeys of just one to five miles. That’s where an old diesel with some bolt on filters, sensors, recirculating valves etc. along with some cost saving plastic parts is going to struggle. Especially if maintenance is stretched out to the manufacturers ‘extended’ schedule.

 

[Lubrown]

And PN testing is supposedly coming for the MOT test soon, so those with DPF deletes will get a fearsomely expensive shock.

I see DVSA are actually going to stop testers that have been subject to an investigation and told to cease doing MOTs from actually doing MOT tests in the new year too.

Not sure why it didn’t occur to them to enforce their own rules previously. Having dodgy tester carrying on doing dodgy tests seems like a recipe for disaster.

Plus the trial of photographic evidence passed the initial phase and is being widened.

It’s about time they clamped down on MOTs.

 

[DXX]

There’s a lot of talk about clamping down on many things; polluting rivers, illegal migration, housing shortage, rogue tenants, mental health, drug dealing, misogyny, driving under the influence, racial intolerance, gambling addiction……blah, blah…
Sound bites, the only money that seems to be available seems to be allocated to the next 3 year public enquiry, keeping lawyers well paid.
This isn’t political IMO, just a tragic situation that occurs when pen pushers out number ‘doers’.

 

[Sasquatch]

I get a semi when I hear of the authorities having a 'crackdown' over something.

 

[Sackmycook]

'Day of Action' always made me take a day off......

 

[FWhite]

I agree, for long distance diesel is still pretty good and will have its place for some time yet. And I stand by the view that ICE can be clean without compromising reliability. Meanwhile, seeing the latest EV vehicles, compared to the first gen, it’s amazing to see the progress made in such a relatively short timeframe.


Back to your point about long journeys…Trouble is data shows us many people make journeys of just one to five miles. That’s where an old diesel with some bolt on filters, sensors, recirculating valves etc. along with some cost saving plastic parts is going to struggle. Especially if maintenance is stretched out to the manufacturers ‘extended’ schedule.

Well, I would say it is more than that.
There is nothing more eco-friendly than a good diesel as today, if you have to move a decent payload (i.e. 1/3 of your empty weight or more ) at a distance of some 1000 Km or more.

Unless a completely new battery technology comes up, highway commercial battery vans or trucks are too penalized from an energetic (and emissions if you are honest about the energy source) standpoint.
Realistic stops every 120 miles and high cost of highway recharges are going to kill your business case.

Less so but still inadequate are the few commercial gas hybrids, (i.e. BYD) that show a real life mpg half of our good diesels in the above conditions. 15-20 vs 30-40. I won't bet on the reliability of such engine in the above conditions too.

Sure, If I had to travel 5 miles empty every I would take a Nissan Leaf (or any small chep-ish electric) unless I had the fortune, as I have, to live in a city with good public transport. Or even take an electric bike-scooter if I lived in the South and I was young and healthy.

 

[Sasquatch]

if you are honest about the energy source

The honesty is that more than 50% of the country's electricity comes from renewable sources. If you count nuclear that figure rises to close on 65%.

 

[FWhite]

The honesty is that more than 50% of the country's electricity comes from renewable sources. If you count nuclear that figure rises to close on 65%.

Yes, I believe you. I do know nothing about UK. It might be that in your case, all considered (weight inefficiency, energy lost in transport, the battery van is still cleaner. Not granted , though.
But, how much does that 50% of the electric energy makes, compared to the total UK energy use (carbon fuels, nuclear, whatever)? How many times more green energy you need to convert it all to electric?
Is that full electrification , including its transport infracstructure feasible in the next 10 years, while ICEs must disappear?
Is Nuclear anywhere near zero emission? Would the UK population accept a many-fold Nuclear plants increase? Even in case of some random incident, like it seems to happen from time to time?

I mean, electric is good, green electric (outside of nuke) is better, but it not the solution for all, and even not always the best solution for the time being in some cases.
What about the batteries and their emissions, since I haven't seen any significant recycling of them?

Here we have almost no incentive even for good hybrids. Full electric must be. When full Electrics do not fit the business case, lack of good suitable ICEs (industry was forced out) result:
We keep for longer old , less efficient , more polluting vehicles,
We import used vans from other bigger or luckier markets. That doesn't help the environment, even for the few % that we count, against the real polluters.
Oh, BTW it seems that those are the same that are producing those fantastic batteries (and very soon cars) that we must buy!
Using energy from coal and oil, but far away, where we do not see them.

 

[Dundee_Kev]

And PN testing is supposedly coming for the MOT test soon, so those with DPF deletes will get a fearsomely expensive shock.

I wonder what dvsas definition of soon is? We have been hearing about this for years.

I last heard dvsa were putting a case forward to whether it was fair forcing garages to buy new expensive equipment for this test, especially as they are trying to force these vehicles off the road.

 

[Sasquatch]

I know a bobby on secondment to DVSA and he reckoned 2028-2029 target is being pushed for.

However, as you suggest, the £5k cost for the gear is the big hurdle to overcome - how many stations could afford that in time?

One way more another, sooner or later, it is coming, and all the bodged and deleted vans will suddenly be worthless until £££s is spent reinstating all the emcon kit.

 

[Dundee_Kev]

However, as you suggest, the £5k cost for the gear is the big hurdle to overcome - how many stations could afford that in time?

One way more another, sooner or later, it is coming, and all the bodged and deleted vans will suddenly be worthless until £££s is spent reinstating all the emcon kit.

The cost point is part of the issue especially since they haven't raised the test fees since 2010! And yet people still think an mot test is expensive.

Unfortunately there will always be the dodgy testing out there to keep all these transporters on the road.

Anyway, euro 5 are deffo way more reliable than euro 6. But it does tend to be brand specific. We don't tend to see any issues with our Korean hyundais, but VAG group, that's a different story.

"If only everything in life was as reliable as a Volkswagen"

 

[Sasquatch]

I don't think there'll be enough dodgy MOT stations to keep all the nasty bodged deleted vehicles on the road.

There are going to be stupendously long queues outside the small number of bent stations, and that might be a teensy clue to the authorities.