EGR and Adblue delete
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high pressure fuel pump. Theres a bolt that they share, but apparently it's a special bolt that you loosen and the inlet manifold slides out.
Service position is where you slide the whole radiator pack away from the front of the van on two metal bars to give you space to work in the front of the engine.
Service position is where you slide the whole radiator pack away from the front of the van on two metal bars to give you space to work in the front of the engine.
Is there any VW documentation about the service position of the front radiator as this does seem very handy otherwise it will be a right pain to remove the air-conditioning system
I found a YouTube video showing it. But there are four large metal pins that thread into holes in the front of the van and then the whole rad pack slides out on them. I think they are about £169 a set, but you could probably make something. It’s beyond my skill set though.
This is on a T5 but I’d guess it’s very similar.
This is on a T5 but I’d guess it’s very similar.
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Hey thanks for this, I never knew this existed. It’s such a handy idea. It’s nice to see that manufacturers think of people servicing.
I’ve had problem with Adblue on my VWT6. Engine light came on. Diagnostic showed P20 EEOO..thinking of deleting the Adblue but having second thoughts due to insurance as this is a modification and possible MOT fail. I’ve heard the VWT6 Transporter has had many Adblue problems
I’ve still got ad blue so I can’t comment on that. Egr is coded out. Not sure how it may affect my insurance. But tbh I don’t really give a shit. But that’s my motto for life.
Disabling or tampering with any of the emissions stuff is illegal.
From google: This is because it violates the Road vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations, specifically Regulation 61a(3), which prohibits using a vehicle on a road if it has been modified to not comply with its original emissions standards.
If your vehicle isn’t road legal your insurance is void. Sure, you might well get away with it, maybe even forever, but if it is ever discovered you’re going to find it very hard and very expensive to get any more vehicle insurance going forward. If it’s discovered following a crash that was your fault you’ll also have a large bill to pay and if it wasn’t your fault I dare say the other person’s insurance could tell you they aren’t paying out.
This stuff generally works if you maintain the vehicle well and don’t solely use it for short trips. But, as with all parts of a vehicle, there will be a time it needs repairs or replacement. That’s life - you can’t run a vehicle without maintenance and repairs.
With more people doing these mods it seems likely there will be more stringent checks in the future. If that does happen you then either pay to put it all back (if you are forewarned of the checks) or risk the consequences.
Some studbar from Screwfix or similar will do exactly the same job at a fraction of the price. No need for special tools
@Lubrown I'll freely admit that you probably know a lot more about the technical aspects of this stuff than me (which wouldn't be difficult!) but, with respect, I think you're wrong in what you said above . Speaking personally, my van (currently at 32K odd miles) has been serviced to schedules by a main dealer avery 12 months since it was new with never more that 7K miles added to it each year. Before anybody asks, the vast majority of those miles have been driven on long trips with very few being down to 'shopping' trips etc. and when it's not being used for longer trips, I generally give it a regular 100 mile blow out at speed down a stretch of the M5 and back. None of that has prevented Adblue issues along with what's supposed to be related orange check engine light and which VW have been unable to cure to date - the latest round of diagnostics will happen next week. There seems to be a lot of others out there like me and my opinion is that theses adblue systems have been introduced for very valid reasons but poorly executed, at least by VW which is my only experience. Seems to me like they knew they know they've got a problematic (aka crap) system but are happy to happy for us to live with that as long as it's not hitting their bottom line too much - VW buyers seem to be a loyal bunch who just keep going back for more.
As to the insurance implications of adblue delete, I for one would be interested in hearing any views from an insurance industry expert (IIRC, we've got at least one member who fits the bill on here).
Perhaps I should have phrased it a little better and been a little less shall we say ‘Machiavellian’
If a system that’s fitted to my engine that is not a safety critical item is so poorly designed that it will ingest and destroy the engine causing me a £15k plus bill then I’m not going to worry about removal of said item. I don’t generally let things worry me once I’ve evaluated something and made a decision.
It would be interesting to hear from an industry specialist about invalidating insurance. Personally I’d think it highly unlikely that it would avoid any third party claim, but may make my personal claim more difficult. I’ll live with that.
I’m not having a go at anyone. Like most people here I think the system VW seem to have come up with could have probably been done better. Looking at modern cars the manufacturers can always do better but the accounting dept. seems to trump engineering most times.
We were also sold a lie by previous governments that diesel was OK - they seem to have ignored common sense and their own findings on how most people use their private vehicles. But we’re here now.
I just thought it best to point out what I have since found on the internet after watching a few TorqueCars videos on YouTube (not trying to pretend this is in depth research it is just a topic that got my interest after being on the forum a while and seeing regular posts on EGR/DPF issues). I learnt a bit more about how the system should work and things you can do to limit the chance of harm (apparently decent fuel can affect these systems whereas I previously thought it wouldn’t). Every day is a school day.
Anyway, wherever I look on the internet when I plummet through this latest wormhole of discovery, it mentions insurance and that was my main concern - people really get hit hard if they invalidate their insurance (knowingly or unknowingly) plus, as someone that has been through the hassle of being hit by an uninsured driver, I have a vested interest in making sure insurance companies can’t weasel out of paying due to technicalities so will flag up where I perceive a risk of this.
As you both say - it would be good to get an insurance bod to give their view. Hopefully it’s not an issue (I can’t see it being found out too easily anyway unless they start realising how many people are removing this stuff and decide it would maximise profits if they checked before paying out in future).
We were also sold a lie by previous governments that diesel was OK - they seem to have ignored common sense and their own findings on how most people use their private vehicles. But we’re here now.
I just thought it best to point out what I have since found on the internet after watching a few TorqueCars videos on YouTube (not trying to pretend this is in depth research it is just a topic that got my interest after being on the forum a while and seeing regular posts on EGR/DPF issues). I learnt a bit more about how the system should work and things you can do to limit the chance of harm (apparently decent fuel can affect these systems whereas I previously thought it wouldn’t). Every day is a school day.
Anyway, wherever I look on the internet when I plummet through this latest wormhole of discovery, it mentions insurance and that was my main concern - people really get hit hard if they invalidate their insurance (knowingly or unknowingly) plus, as someone that has been through the hassle of being hit by an uninsured driver, I have a vested interest in making sure insurance companies can’t weasel out of paying due to technicalities so will flag up where I perceive a risk of this.
As you both say - it would be good to get an insurance bod to give their view. Hopefully it’s not an issue (I can’t see it being found out too easily anyway unless they start realising how many people are removing this stuff and decide it would maximise profits if they checked before paying out in future).
@Bav . Are you that man? I've read some of your other posts and you seem to know what you're talkng about.
Every insurance policy I’ve read states that ‘vehicle must be maintained in a roadworthy condition’.
I’m no legal boffin but to me that reads as your vehicle must be able to pass a UK MOT at all times.
Tampering or disabling a emission control system contravenes the UK MOT Manual.
I’m no legal boffin but to me that reads as your vehicle must be able to pass a UK MOT at all times.
Tampering or disabling a emission control system contravenes the UK MOT Manual.
Risk assessment/ premium determination is my area of expertise, so I'm not 100% sure on this one TBH.
Having said that, by applying first principles, it would seem obvious that adblue deletion is a modification from manufacturer's spec and a failure to declare such a modification (if discovered) would invalidate your insurance and risk your name being placed on the insurance fraud register.
If you aren't the van's first owner, you might be able to plead ignorance, but I wouldn't bank on it - especially as being a member of a forum such as this one, where such issues are discussed, would raise the bar on what you'd reasonably be expected to know.
In assessing the risk of deleting adblue, I'd say the probability of being found out is very low, but that the financial impact of being found out could be very high - as high as personal or business bankruptcy.
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Fellas, I read so many volumes of posts and my head begins to spin. I wanted to ask a question here and would appreciate any answer anybody throws at me.. It is about a T6 on a 18 plate, 150 bhp, with 29k miles on the clock - i.e. looked after and given more attention to, than the missus,
Th AdBlue was running low and I topped it diligently up to the max - just under 10 litres of the stuff, but the light is still on and I am worried that in about a 1k miles the engine will go into a limp mode ( someone just told me that this may happen) and I will find myself even deeper in the brown stuff .. Question is how can I clear the amber engine light/ symbol on my dashboard, or I need to book the next pilgrimage to my local VW dealer? Has anybody come up with this issue?
Th AdBlue was running low and I topped it diligently up to the max - just under 10 litres of the stuff, but the light is still on and I am worried that in about a 1k miles the engine will go into a limp mode ( someone just told me that this may happen) and I will find myself even deeper in the brown stuff .. Question is how can I clear the amber engine light/ symbol on my dashboard, or I need to book the next pilgrimage to my local VW dealer? Has anybody come up with this issue?
First off, for future reference, I'd avoid re-filling it to the max, if only because you risk overfilling it, which can cause it's own problems.
Secondly, how far have you driven since re-filling the AdBlue? It can take a while for the re-fill to be acknowledged and the light to go off - a figure of up to100 miles springs to mind, but I could have just made that number up.
Lastly, I presume the reference to limp mode relates to the AdBlue range reaching zero? If that happens, I believe the engine will simply refuse to start at all, rather than starting and going into limp mode.
100% book it in. You can always cancel if it resolves. You've probably overfilled and if it doesnt rest within the next couple of 100 miles then it will probably need to be rest by a dealer.
I may have been fortunate perhaps but have never had a problem with Ad Blue 2019 146kw 199bhp T6 and have to admit at first not particularly careful when poring it in, having not read the instructions with any great attention except for the bit for stopping the engine. Using a larger container, just inverted it until it stopped chugging, may not have been particularly careful or fast on extraction of the container which still had some in it. While it most likely would not have overfilled while inverted some may have dropped out on extraction of the container and I would not have been very concerned about that because much of the warnings about over filling seemed to be pointing at paint damage and i would have only been casually concerned about that. I always considered the warning or advisory as covering their arse due to any claims on paint damage, never seen any so my cursory wipe should be patented. then I would screw the relevant lids on and wonder what to do with what might be left over or do I need another poor. Then retire to the vehicle insert or turn the ready inserted key to ignition watch the needles climb then give the key that additional turn to start. Brum starts without fuss nor bother i recall a message saying how many miles might be expected. That is it. I always take a little small time to tun the ignition key just a moment before starting allowing the vehicle regardless off ad blue or not just as i prefer to allow vehicle to idle a short while before tuning off supposedly better for the turbo bearings and anything else I guess.
I only started fussing, having read all the problems and additionally more careful now and hate being so but have never ever measured out an exact amount WTF. If I ever have to resort to that it will be sold and I will buy the biggest most polluting gas guzzling miliary truck I can drive around in. I have great difficulty in understanding what is going wrong for people. Firstly some are not entity honest OK I understand them wanting not to appear dim or a hairy arsed MAN but I could not give a F myself and openly say if I am deficient in some area, self effacing I you like like many Northerners, scots and Irish are so a little down the line it turns out they have allowed it to run out or not switched the engine off. Fully appreciate the CXEB situation that is different and like in all things someone somewhere will present with a problem out of the blue for an initially unexplained reason. I can not understand why an increasing number of people want to start deleting thins when deleting things is very likely to cause problems anyway or it was just going to happen. I would mind less if they put it all back again when they eventually sell it instead of selfishly dumping it on some other poor sucker. Any ways I,ll trot of and bore the arse of someone else now in my Twin Turbo. ..................................
I only started fussing, having read all the problems and additionally more careful now and hate being so but have never ever measured out an exact amount WTF. If I ever have to resort to that it will be sold and I will buy the biggest most polluting gas guzzling miliary truck I can drive around in. I have great difficulty in understanding what is going wrong for people. Firstly some are not entity honest OK I understand them wanting not to appear dim or a hairy arsed MAN but I could not give a F myself and openly say if I am deficient in some area, self effacing I you like like many Northerners, scots and Irish are so a little down the line it turns out they have allowed it to run out or not switched the engine off. Fully appreciate the CXEB situation that is different and like in all things someone somewhere will present with a problem out of the blue for an initially unexplained reason. I can not understand why an increasing number of people want to start deleting thins when deleting things is very likely to cause problems anyway or it was just going to happen. I would mind less if they put it all back again when they eventually sell it instead of selfishly dumping it on some other poor sucker. Any ways I,ll trot of and bore the arse of someone else now in my Twin Turbo. ..................................
I never knew they had a service position. It was much easier on my T4 though to put into service position
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