andys, I looked through the main thread on "Deveonports." It was quite amazing how adventurous and artistically inventive, people where in changing what may be argued as a plain common alloy. They managed to cheer them up and make them into quite stylish assets. A much much more sensible outlay. Spending a minimum of cash compared to spending a fortune on easily damaged fancy alloys, that could catch the eyes of the wrong sorts of people. If you do not like what you may have created or become bored with them it will be relativly easy and affordable to change them again. Are these wheels only in 17" are the available in 18"?