Vw €1bn Fine

Absolutely correct. Rampant cost cutting across the board - but very obvious in the T5,1 and the T6. The half-exhaust on MY18 vans is just laughable. The emissions equipment is struggling now that cheating software has been removed, with vans drinking adblue and regenerating every 80 miles. Warranty costs being pared to the bone by belligerent denials of obvious faults.
The icing on the cake is the absurd price of crucial equipment like headlamps that work.....
 
As everyone said at the time of dieselgate, there was no way it was only VW, and that is why not a single other manufacturer came out and deplored VW for being scumbags.
 
$30bn set aside for the US, €1bn fine in Germany ..... yet the UK Govt dares to even bring the subject up with VW and we are immediately told to Foxtrot Oscar :speechless:

We are such a lily-livered touch, not just in Europe but globally now. Thank God for the 60,000 UK VW drivers who've managed to take the initiative with a Class Action, showing some of us still have a back bone
 
Actual laws were broken in the US. The U.K. MOT & tax bands were not affected by the engine remapping carried out by the “defeat device” therefore I’m not sure what compensation people in the U.K. expect? How many of the 60k people are partaking in the class action because you need to be in it to win it? I.E. let’s see what we can get for free?
 
There's been many comments on the forum about cost cutting on the T6 compared to the T5.1. Especially in the cockpit area.

However, is there similar views about other models in the VW range? Is the post dieselgate penny pinching noticeable in the current Polo, Golf, Passat compared to previous marks.

I'm guessing that would be a dangerous game for VW to play, given how other manufactures would surpass them, in the detail and spec. (If they haven't already).

Yet VW seem confident they can get away with it in the van market. Interesting market dynamics.
 
Regardless of whether any laws were broken in the UK (still open to debate) vehicles were knowingly produced and sold in the UK that did not meet their advertised specification. As a consequence of this and the reputational impact of the VW cheats getting found out, resale values will have been hit - if I had a vehicle that was impacted, darned right I'd be jumping on the band wagon and joining the class action! As above, pretty sure its not just VAG vehicles involved just that they are the biggest and ones that have been caught out.
 
Dieseldonkey said:
There's been many comments on the forum about cost cutting on the T6 compared to the T5.1. Especially in the cockpit area.

However, is there similar views about other models in the VW range? Is the post dieselgate penny pinching noticeable in the current Polo, Golf, Passat compared to previous marks.

I'm guessing that would be a dangerous game for VW to play, given how other manufactures would surpass them, in the detail and spec. (If they haven't already).

Yet VW seem confident they can get away with it in the van market. Interesting market dynamics.
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I think the biggest example of cost cutting is generally regarded to be the change from the Golf 5 to Golf 6
 
Davenjo said:
Regardless of whether any laws were broken in the UK (still open to debate) vehicles were knowingly produced and sold in the UK that did not meet their advertised specification. As a consequence of this and the reputational impact of the VW cheats getting found out, resale values will have been hit - if I had a vehicle that was impacted, darned right I'd be jumping on the band wagon and joining the class action! As above, pretty sure its not just VAG vehicles involved just that they are the biggest and ones that have been caught out.
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I have an affected vehicle. I don’t recall any advert mentioning the NOx emissions meeting strict Californian standards, so please enlighten me as to the advertised specification that is not met :)

Resale values are not impacted as far as I can tell, and if they were, it would be VW taking the hit as I am on a PCP deal. So I am sure they will endeavour to ensure that there isn’t an impact on customers, as it will only come back to them anyway.

But yes you make it clear that this is a bandwagon and people are claiming there is an issue and jumping on board.

If the fix had impacted my vehicle in any way, I’d join you, but despite having the “worst” engine in the 1.6 (physical fix required not just a remap to remove option of low power mode), there simply hasn’t been an issue.
 
redvers said:
I have an affected vehicle. I don’t recall any advert mentioning the NOx emissions meeting strict Californian standards, so please enlighten me as to the advertised specification that is not met :)

Resale values are not impacted as far as I can tell, and if they were, it would be VW taking the hit as I am on a PCP deal. So I am sure they will endeavour to ensure that there isn’t an impact on customers, as it will only come back to them anyway.

But yes you make it clear that this is a bandwagon and people are claiming there is an issue and jumping on board.

If the fix had impacted my vehicle in any way, I’d join you, but despite having the “worst” engine in the 1.6 (physical fix required not just a remap to remove option of low power mode), there simply hasn’t been an issue.
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Extract from a March FT article on this:-

“VW profited by betraying the trust of their customers. It has been two years since the scandal broke and the only thing that VW has offered UK consumers is a fix that our clients have told us doesn’t work. Now those consumers have the chance to hold VW to account for their deceit and will finally have their day in court.”

Whether you can see it or not and/or your finance deal protects you from the worst of it, the diesel gate scandal has had an impact, not just on VAG, on the the way people see diesels and helped with speeding up the demonisation of diesel we are currently seeing - this will ultimately hit resale values (who will want to buy a car that is either banned or has to pay to drive into most of our major cities in a few years time - euro 5 and 6 OK for now but standards will get tighter). Just look at the way new diesel sales have nosedived in the wake of this - I'm not saying VAG are totally responsible for this but their cheating brought the issues to the fore and gave the environmental campaigners a moral step up.

Update: Sorry, missed your first sentence; cars were advertised and sold as being euro 5 (and now Euro 6 compliant) - surely its a reasonable assumption that the car meets these standards in real world situations (hence the amended euro 6 now being worked to)?
 
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As I understand it, even if I had declined the fix my car would still be Euro5 compliant. So am still not sure what advertising rules were broken :)

[the rules were quite clearly broken in California with their stricter legislation; however nothing I have read suggests that U.K. or European regulations were bypassed by this software mode.]

My car is over five years old so I fully expect it to depreciate. I very much doubt that there is an additional “dieselgate” reduction in residual value, and you’d be hard pressed to prove it anyway, especially in a court of law. Speculating that there will be a future reduction in value is nothing compared to hard proof of sales values reducing, and I fully expect VW will have stats and figures out the whazoo to show that this hasn’t happened.

New technology vehicles come out all the time, and we’re on the cusp of electric vehicles really hitting the mainstream... does that mean it’s diesels fault this technology has been developed? Not really, no. I’m sure the advertisers for electric cars are marketing their cars as replacements for “dirty” diesels but at the end of the day there’s nothing happening now that wouldn’t have happened anyway even if VW engineers hadn’t chosen to use the Bosch software during emissions test mode...
 
Chances are, without the fix, in real world, on the road conditions, your euro 5 would not be compliant:- Quote from an old Guardian article Revealed: nearly all new diesel cars exceed official pollution limits "The new data, from testing industry leader Emissions Analytics (EA), follows the publication this week by the Department for Transport of emissions results for 37 vehicles, all of which emitted more NOx on the road than the official limit. But the new data covers more than 250 vehicles in more stringently standardised road conditions. EA found that just one of 201 Euro 5 diesels, the EU standard from 2009, did not exceed the limit, while only seven of 62 Euro 6 diesels, the stricter standard since 2014, did so.".

Agreed, technology is always changing but, as I said before, this gave the environmental campaigners a big moral step up and is a major factor in the demonisation of diesel we have seen since. It will be interesting to see which way the class action goes - I have no vested interest either way but a part of me would like to see the courts ruling in favour of the consumers!!
 
Did anyone else not get the free cup and pen due to having a dirty diesel that needed to be remapped? o_O

forget class action against vw.....they gave me SHINY things!!! :grin bounce:
 
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