Pendle Agent remap vs HQ

[109LWB]

I’d like to get my 102 remapped sometime in the future just for a bit more drivability. My current daily is 220bhp approx on a lighter vehicle, so the 102hp does feel quite leisurely.

Here in lies my dilemma. I have a Pendle agent 15 miles away. Pendle HQ is 150 miles away.
My local agent doesn’t have a rolling road, and from watching Pendle videos, they seem very keen to properly custom map to each vehicle, as it should be.
What I don’t understand is how an agent without a rolling road can do anything but apply a generic map. I get they may be able to send over some logging data, but it’s never going to be as comprehensive as a proper rolling road setup.

Maybe Pendle themselves could explain how it works If they see this. I’m not sure I’d get the time to drive the hq to get it done, and the agent is very close, but I’m just concerned about spending all that money on something that isn’t really custom tuned to my vehicle, if that’s the case of how the agent remaps work.

 

[T6.1 slayer]

Transporter HQ had a crappy 68bhp on dyno and produced this ! But he is a tuner not just quick generic file flash

 

[Texxaco]

My 1st question to you, Why consider Pendle remap only, have you given some thought to having a bespoke map for your van and not a generic map?

I know I have said it many times on here however I can vouch for one remap only, have had chipped/remaps done in the past on other VW in the past, and that would be @Dav-Tec. Yeah the so called rolling road is done on the normal roads at certain revs/gear selection.

My so called chipped van is now a professionally chipped van with graphs to prove it.

My advise to you would be reach out to @Dav-Tec and get another view on remapping your van.

Floyd, my T6 204bhp BiTDi is now running 257bhp, torque of 570NM revving to 4,800 with a remapped DSG and is a thrill to drive but can also be driven sensibly with MPG gains.

 

[109LWB]

Dark side, transporter hq and dav-tec are all considerably further than the 15 miles of the Pendle agent.
My question is the quality of the agent Vs the hq. If the agent isn't any better than a generic map, I'll look elsewhere.
If the agent can match the Pendle HQ maps, it makes sense to travel 15 miles instead of 150+

 

[T6.1 slayer]

Dark side, transporter hq and dav-tec are all considerably further than the 15 miles of the Pendle agent.
My question is the quality of the agent Vs the hq. If the agent isn't any better than a generic map, I'll look elsewhere.
If the agent can match the Pendle HQ maps, it makes sense to travel 15 miles instead of 150+

I'd travel the 150+ pal get the correct map done by tuners who actually understand how the engines are built rather than someone just flashing an ecu , with Dpf left in expect more regens as soot levels increase , dpf delete pipe and egr delete eliminates some problems that could occur

 

[T6.1 slayer]

And if your on a 5 speed box the planet gears are made from Terry's chocolate orange and easily break with that little extra torque, something to consider.

 

[Dav-Tec]

Dark side, transporter hq and dav-tec are all considerably further than the 15 miles of the Pendle agent.
My question is the quality of the agent Vs the hq. If the agent isn't any better than a generic map, I'll look elsewhere.
If the agent can match the Pendle HQ maps, it makes sense to travel 15 miles instead of 150+

Has the Pendle agent got a rolling road or does he do live data logging? If he does/has either of these data will be collated and sent to Pendle HQ for the file work to be done. Just like I do with my file writer. It's a specialist field hence why I use a third party but I run his files on all our vehicles.

The Pendle agent should then recieve a file based on data recorded from your vehicle. A test run done with more data collected and if required another map done. The process should be repeated until Pendle HQ are happy with the results.

If he says it takes an hour or so to map it then it's a flash file that Pendle are just sending him.

Figures are often over hyped and looked upon to much what matters is how it performs afterwards. You could get a van to run 280hp but run like an absolute bag of spanners and the engine last a week before blowing up.

Remember a Dyno doesn't actually measure bhp.

It's measures torque and then calculated power the formula is rpm X torque /5252 for lb.ft so on a VW they measure Nm not lb.ft so you replace 5252 with 7127. Honestly Google it. It's not a very common known fact but it is a fact.

I find live mapping is much better than any Dyno as that fan they stick at the front of the vehicle is spinning at a constant speed so the air being pushed towards the vehicle isn't a true representation of what the vehicle will do when on the road. So there is some guess work involved. But any descent "tuner" will go and live log the map after it has been on the Dyno and tweek accordingly.

This is why a data logged map can costs £400+ and a Facebook map will cost you £80.

Hope this helps.

 

[Texxaco]

Has the Pendle agent got a rolling road or does he do live data logging? If he does/has either of these data will be collated and sent to Pendle HQ for the file work to be done. Just like I do with my file writer. It's a specialist field hence why I use a third party but I run his files on all our vehicles.

The Pendle agent should then recieve a file based on data recorded from your vehicle. A test run done with more data collected and if required another map done. The process should be repeated until Pendle HQ are happy with the results.

If he says it takes an hour or so to map it then it's a flash file that Pendle are just sending him.

Figures are often over hyped and looked upon to much what matters is how it performs afterwards. You could get a van to run 280hp but run like an absolute bag of spanners and the engine last a week before blowing up.

Remember a Dyno doesn't actually measure bhp.

It's measures torque and then calculated power the formula is rpm X torque /5252 for lb.ft so on a VW they measure Nm not lb.ft so you replace 5252 with 7127. Honestly Google it. It's not a very common known fact but it is a fact.

I find live mapping is much better than any Dyno as that fan they stick at the front of the vehicle is spinning at a constant speed so the air being pushed towards the vehicle isn't a true representation of what the vehicle will do when on the road. So there is some guess work involved. But any descent "tuner" will go and live log the map after it has been on the Dyno and tweek accordingly.

This is why a data logged map can costs £400+ and a Facebook map will cost you £80.

Hope this helps.

Interesting read @Dav-Tec. Experience ahead of everything is where your should be looking for a remap. Cheers for the insight Chris @Dav-Tec

 

[109LWB]

Has the Pendle agent got a rolling road or does he do live data logging? If he does/has either of these data will be collated and sent to Pendle HQ for the file work to be done. Just like I do with my file writer. It's a specialist field hence why I use a third party but I run his files on all our vehicles.

The Pendle agent should then recieve a file based on data recorded from your vehicle. A test run done with more data collected and if required another map done. The process should be repeated until Pendle HQ are happy with the results.

If he says it takes an hour or so to map it then it's a flash file that Pendle are just sending him.

Figures are often over hyped and looked upon to much what matters is how it performs afterwards. You could get a van to run 280hp but run like an absolute bag of spanners and the engine last a week before blowing up.

Remember a Dyno doesn't actually measure bhp.

It's measures torque and then calculated power the formula is rpm X torque /5252 for lb.ft so on a VW they measure Nm not lb.ft so you replace 5252 with 7127. Honestly Google it. It's not a very common known fact but it is a fact.

I find live mapping is much better than any Dyno as that fan they stick at the front of the vehicle is spinning at a constant speed so the air being pushed towards the vehicle isn't a true representation of what the vehicle will do when on the road. So there is some guess work involved. But any descent "tuner" will go and live log the map after it has been on the Dyno and tweek accordingly.

This is why a data logged map can costs £400+ and a Facebook map will cost you £80.

Hope this helps.

The Pendle agent near me doesn’t having a rolling road, that was the point of my initial question. I don’t understand how an agent can custom map a vehicle without a rolling road (except for doing on the fly with live data of course). If the agent is just sticking a generic map on, there is no point doing it, but Pendle in their YouTube videos seem to make a big deal about generic remaps being crap and their custom tunes are the only way forward. To me this seems a bit contradictory, that’s why I wanted clarification on their agent maps.

I’m not new to remapping having had every car I’ve owned over the last 15 years remapped in one way or another.
I don’t want stupid power and I’m well aware of the torque issues with the 5 speed box.
Once the van arrives I’ll look into all options, but from my quick look on here, pendle seemed to be the go to.. I was pleased to see an agent so close, but then realised they rolling rd situation hence my initial question on the issue.

 

[Dav-Tec]

The Pendle agent near me doesn’t having a rolling road, that was the point of my initial question. I don’t understand how an agent can custom map a vehicle without a rolling road (except for doing on the fly with live data of course). If the agent is just sticking a generic map on, there is no point doing it, but Pendle in their YouTube videos seem to make a big deal about generic remaps being crap and their custom tunes are the only way forward. To me this seems a bit contradictory, that’s why I wanted clarification on their agent maps.

I’m not new to remapping having had every car I’ve owned over the last 15 years remapped in one way or another.
I don’t want stupid power and I’m well aware of the torque issues with the 5 speed box.
Once the van arrives I’ll look into all options, but from my quick look on here, pendle seemed to be the go to.. I was pleased to see an agent so close, but then realised they rolling rd situation hence my initial question on the issue.

I've PM you matey

 

[Neilfenstein]

I have a pendle map on my 102 and it is great. Pendle used to be the only reliable way to map them. That may have changed.
I went to a place that was actually/fortunately conveniently local and they had a rolling road. So I have graphs from before and after and the guy was great and the van is night and day better to drive.
I believe they always at least Road test and the maps get adjusted by a diagnostic log.
Good luck. I can recommend the Pendle agent in Havant if you come down this way.

 

[Crazymind]

Over the years I have mapped everything I owned. Even my lownmower.
I went to pendle HQ and Martin was very professional and friendly. So far the best remap experience for me and the Van runs great after it. Mapped on the rolling road first and than taken out to correct live data. And of course test driven by me after with Martin on the side. Around 3 hours of work, not cheap but the van still runs great with (touch my balls) no Christmas lights on the dashboard. Not sure 100% about the Dsg remap, something not right about it, like shifting down 2 or 3 gears when overtaking and ACC is on. However in Manual mode shifting is a lot smoother and faster than it was before. So probably a decent compromise.
My previous experience with agents has never been very positive, mostly negative. I have abandoned that route ever since…only going to professionals ( many around but not so many). If you want to get Dpf egr and as blue removed you’ll have to go to Darkside. The engine will run miles better after but my concern is about Mot failure, future sale of the van and last but not least, increasing pollution.

 

[Skyliner33]

Over the years I have mapped everything I owned. Even my lownmower.
I went to pendle HQ and Martin was very professional and friendly. So far the best remap experience for me and the Van runs great after it. Mapped on the rolling road first and than taken out to correct live data. And of course test driven by me after with Martin on the side. Around 3 hours of work, not cheap but the van still runs great with (touch my balls) no Christmas lights on the dashboard. Not sure 100% about the Dsg remap, something not right about it, like shifting down 2 or 3 gears when overtaking and ACC is on. However in Manual mode shifting is a lot smoother and faster than it was before. So probably a decent compromise.
My previous experience with agents has never been very positive, mostly negative. I have abandoned that route ever since…only going to professionals ( many around but not so many). If you want to get Dpf egr and as blue removed you’ll have to go to Darkside. The engine will run miles better after but my concern is about Mot failure, future sale of the van and last but not least, increasing pollution.

Have you spoken to Martin about the DSG map and your concerns?

I can't find the cost of the DSG map on the website.

Cheers

 

[Crazymind]

If I remember dsg Map is around 240.
Didn’t speak to Martin yet. It’s probably me just being very picky. Let say your are travelling at 70 in 7th gear with ACC on. Lorry slow you down to 55, signal to overtake. as soon as signal is on, box jumps from 7th to 4 and accelerate to max rpm until speed (70) is reached. Before mapping it was shifting 1 gear, max 2, using torque to reach speed.
In this situation box reach 70mph in 4th gear at max rpm, then box shift to 6th gear and only a few seconds later to 7th.
The rest of the time is very good, responsive and does what I would do in manual shifting myself. Together with the map it’s a peach. Forget droning in 7th gear, now 7th gear is fine even at 50mph and 1100rpm.
Best improvement from standstill, that clutch slipping in first 2 gears totally gone. (Maybe not great if towing? But I am not…).
Its also more relaxing when overtaking from 7h gear. Before mapping the box was changing gears and the engine screaming like a stubbed rabbit. Now it’s downshifting 1 gear, from 7th to 6th max. Using torque to accelerate.

 

[Mixersmate]

Ask Martin if he has any plans to be in your area visiting an agent any time in the future, I've watched a few of his you tube videos and he seems to visit agents for charity days, he'll do the map and the money goes to good causes.

 

[T6.1 slayer]

The box performs different when map file is on ? I'm running 288bhp at wheels never touched my box ? Parameters are set high on the DQ500 box as standard.

 

[bttb]

Hi Just wanted to say I had my t6.1 199 DSG 4motion worked on by Martin at Pendle HQ had both the ECU and DSG done just over 3 weeks ago and all I can say is I'm very impressed with how the van now delivers the power , its very smooth, very drivable and the gear shifts are unbelievably slick. The torque delivery is smile worthy

Wanted to drive it a few hundred miles before commenting, but best money I've spent on the van since owning it.

Just wished I had done this sooner , but would definitely recommend Martin, face to face he's a cracking guy, but he's very busy so getting hold on him on the phone can be a challenge that said I booked my appointment online and a week beforehand I got a reminder.

The whole process took about 3.5hrs

As I say money well spent as far as I'm concerned

 

[LotusRob]

Just had mine done at a local agent (Swansea), hour drive against 4 hours, no rolling road, took 90 mins. Has improved performance and also mpg. Also was £100 cheaper.

 

[109LWB]

Just had mine done at a local agent (Swansea), hour drive against 4 hours, no rolling road, took 90 mins. Has improved performance and also mpg. Also was £100 cheaper.

Did they road test it with some sort of diagnostics or just stick the file on?

 

[LotusRob]

Did they road test it with some sort of diagnostics or just stick the file on?

Road test