Agm Charging And Condensation

widu13

Retired Bobby
T6 Guru
Hi All,

This is my first AGM, but I know that they are sealed units. Mine is in a wardrobe with a "lid" on it (not airtight) and I have visible condensation on the battery and components. This did not happen with my flooded (not sealed) cell battery.

The van has only been used for transport since it was fitted a couple of weeks ago, I'm using a CTEK which according to the BM2 charges at 14.96v.

Thoughts?
 
i found this on line american too on charging A G M batteries your might be whats called out gassing if your CTEK is not backing off the voltage

vehicle chargers will only charge at 13.5 volts, which is suitable for running 12 volt bulbs, but this will only give you 80% of the charge when allowing for the potential difference. This shows that an American motorhome requires a good charger to look after its batteries.

The charger needs to be able to carry out a bulk charge, an absorption charge, and also a float charge. These three charge methods require performing at the correct voltage, or the process will be deemed useless.

Bulk Charge
This is the first stage of charging and shows what a fully discharged battery will go through. The battery charger fitted to your R. V. should have a maximum charge rate of 10% of the total battery, or the batteries capacity. 4 x 100 amp hour batteries will require a 40 amp charger.

If we use the above as our example the charger will charge batteries at 40 amps current, until the voltage rises in the battery to 80 – 90% fully charged. As you can see from the table, the voltage will be between 12.42 and 12.5. To allow the battery to reach this voltage, the charge voltage will be around 15 volts. There is no correct voltage for bulk charging, that is why the 10% of total battery capacity is important. It is essential not to supply the battery with too greater current and damage it.

Absorption Charge
This is the second stage of the battery charging. At this stage the voltage remains constant and the current gradually tapers off, as internal resistance increases during the charging process. It is during this stage that the charger puts out maximum voltage. Voltages at this stage are typically around 14.2 to 15.5 volts.

Float Charge
This is the final stage of the charging. After the batteries reach full charge, the charging level is reduced to a lower level (typically 12.8 to 13.2 volts). This reduces gassing and prolongs the battery life. This stage of charging if often referred to as a maintenance or trickle charge, since its main purpose is to keep an already charged battery from discharging.

If your American motorhome has a good charger fitted, you should get 4 to 6 years battery life, but often you will find that the poor battery chargers will require you to change the batteries about once a year.

As batteries age, their maintenance requirements also change. This means longer charging times and/or higher finish rate (higher ampage at the end of the charge). Usually older batteries need to be watered more often, and their capacity decreases.

if this helps Nick
 
Cheers Nick, I'm not new to batteries, I've been a motorhomer/camper for 20 years, but the condensation is a new one on me.
 
Other than the cold battery and warm air or warmming up when taking a charge . and it seems there's valves in the AGM that can leak the gas and the moisture is drawn to it hygroscopically that can cause damage around the area and on the terminals. it does sound unusual that no one else noticed it to mention it before. but your new thread is bound to open a can of worms and someone is bound to know whats causing it . just hope if its over charging you have not damaged your new battery or the regulating valves.

im just about to purchase all my conversion kit so im very interested my craft seat revolver has just arrived so building / ordering all my kit. may i ask what make of battery please
 
GOT A FEW PICS OF YOUR SETUP?

Its most likely condensation form "warm air/cold battery . . . . . or . . . . cold air/warm battery."

The air this time of year is very damp/humid and almost filly saturated.

the battery will warm slightly as its charged, if its stored in the van it should be the same temp as everything else.
 
Stick a tiny bit on your tongue, probably acid not water. Better still use someone else's tongue or a litmus test.
 
That's what i was trying to say above as the Moisure is spreading to surrounds and over terminals i did read it as a pressure relief valve the moisture drawn to the acid gas / vapor

the battery could be damaged if the valve does not re-seat

i quoted above there's valves in the AGM that can leak the gas and the moisture is drawn to it Hygroscopically that can cause damage around the area and on the terminals

iv had 2 CTEC trickle chargers for my bike that failed another fitted on the Shiela's Wheels battery ( another story ) that has'nt maintained the batteries on that very well . so i don't have a lot of confidence in CTEC.
 
My concern comes from the fact that the flooded cell battery didn't condensate like this one, but then it was being charged directly from a VSR so never getting above 12.5v.

Photo:

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I cant see the dampness there?

If you using a VSR you could get upto 15v on that battery during regens.

The ctek should be set for AGM and should have an ignition feed so it's only working when the engine is running..

I'm still thinking it's just atmospheric and temp differentials.....

I got this from the van earlier..

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It shows the extreme moisture content this time of year..

The sensor is next to the battery under the double bench....
 
Binned the VSR for the CTEK. I opened the wardrode up and bunged the propex on for an hour to dry it. Everything was coated, in the same way that a very light mist dampens everything.
 
Maybe the heat from the kit running causing it?...

Tried leaving the door open or putting a vent in the panel to allow better air circulation?
 
I have exactly the same battery and ctek charger and I haven't noticed eny moisture on battery ,does this only happen after a charge or can it be when it's just sitting for mibi a few days , my cupboard is slightly vented as the cables run through rectangular hole into my gas and water cupboard along the top and that cupboard has a vent so possibly that's enough for mine not to condensate or it's just not visible when I have been in the cupboard at the time but Al have a look next time a get a chance
 
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